00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.07.19 00:13:45 --- join: ASau` (~user@176.2.48.224) joined #forth 00:17:29 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01:07:07 --- join: impomatic (~impomatic@31.185.136.135) joined #forth 01:26:36 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 01:30:29 + 01:46:39 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-153-44.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:11:43 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@c-73-166-109-75.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:16:10 --- quit: DocPlatypus (Client Quit) 02:27:25 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 02:28:12 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 02:51:23 NOTE: info about Sourceforge outage and broken links at http://pastebin.ca, search for "brokenlinks" for latest info. 02:59:13 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 03:08:29 --- join: Korsi (~plukkari@unaffiliated/korsi) joined #forth 03:08:35 welcome 03:08:41 ty:) 03:32:45 Has been extremely frustrating as this weekend I got a new computer and have been trying out funtoo distro for the first time. Has tons of dependencies that are on sourceforge. 03:41:01 hold 03:42:21 ya SF melted down. 04:03:37 Frankly I'm surprised anyone still uses it. It has long since become a giant adware site and lost its usefulness. There's github, google code, the mecurial option whose name I forget.... plenty of more reliable less annoying options. Perhaps people will wake up and migrate finally. 04:04:25 well; in console bowser, you cant hear the ads sceam for attention. 04:04:27 much 04:05:12 which console browser you using? or you just mean ftp/wget/etc? 04:05:42 those and links/lynx 04:05:56 i see 04:06:14 my x11 is alil broke atm 04:07:30 what distro/version you use and how old is your install? 04:07:53 slack141 atm, distastefully; less than week. 04:08:53 hahaha oops... you might wanna try funtoo. Seems a smarter install setup with all the flexibilty of slack. I'm liking it so far (~36 hours) 04:09:38 Also a core distro that explicitly avoids systemd (although you can use it if you want). Nice and clean. 04:09:45 hmm. i rather prefer slack's method but i dont like the direction that PatV is moving the dist in. 04:10:03 "core"? 04:10:12 I understand. slack was my first distro ever back in 1994. :) 04:10:24 same time for me too 04:10:55 i'm not a fan of too much automagic 04:10:56 Quiznos, "core" meaning most other distros now come default with systemd. In funtoo it's OpenRC which is simple and nice. 04:11:11 havent heard of openrc 04:11:21 new runcmd files? 04:11:21 I've been abandoned by Kubuntu now so switching to funtoo. 04:11:27 ah 04:11:43 gotta take my boys to dinner before the destroy the living room. ttyl. 04:11:50 ok enjoy 04:11:56 bring me a doggie baga 04:37:59 --- quit: FireFly (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 05:35:14 --- join: FireFly (~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com) joined #forth 05:39:13 --- join: pgomes (~pgomes@ip923476d3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 05:39:15 --- quit: pgomes (Client Quit) 06:08:34 --- join: pgomes (~pgomes@ip923476d3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 06:37:11 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@host-92-30-227-33.as13285.net) joined #forth 06:37:12 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 06:37:12 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 07:01:56 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Remote host closed the connection) 07:03:58 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 07:29:59 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Remote host closed the connection) 08:27:26 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:40:09 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-101.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 08:40:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 09:11:09 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-239-141.prtc.net) joined #forth 09:13:41 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 09:25:04 --- quit: _longines (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 09:38:07 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 09:40:38 --- join: _longines (~longines@static.95.25.4.46.clients.your-server.de) joined #forth 09:51:27 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 10:16:00 whoa, found a page on forth archive supporting Spaghetti coding method. 10:16:18 file; spaghetti.5th 10:27:37 That means what it means in classic programming?!? 10:30:09 ya 10:30:22 structured coding is expensive. 10:36:20 hmm.... in what way? And how is their spaguetti more optimal? 10:36:48 do you remember writing debug scripts on dos? or disassembling .com bins= back in the day? 10:37:06 or even writing BASIC programs/. 10:37:07 ? 10:37:19 the logic is straightly linear. 10:37:40 not staccato as in highlevel languages. 10:38:31 or even in ghigh-sch and uni; IPO input process output is linear too. 10:38:48 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 10:45:10 w3m works grat on sf.net. 10:45:33 ya, sf is closer to up mostly now 10:56:28 --- quit: pgomes (Remote host closed the connection) 10:58:02 --- join: bedah (~bedah@host-091-097-169-209.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #forth 11:02:43 I wrote "asm" apps directly into the Apple ][ monitor - direct to opcode. Didn't have an assembler. But my code was structured so I could keep it straight. 11:06:58 ok good, [lemme regather my thought] 11:07:34 so the Spaghetti code of old was allegedly unstructured when compared to what is written how with contemporary tools. 11:08:19 however, with all that sutructured baggage now added to the code base, maintaining the code is taking more time and space. 11:09:34 hoever, to that!, allegedly unstructured code is apt to be faster bc the number of layers between the code and user, and tween cod eand os, are both reduced. 11:09:53 i worked on a projct during the 80s, it was just me. 11:10:07 written in PC-BASIc for a medical office. 11:10:20 no comments; and wild patching everywhere. 11:10:31 took me a week to grok the whole program. 11:10:49 by which time, i had figered out where all the patching had occured. 11:11:12 which I then had to remove it all to get the prog to work correctly as speced and written. 11:11:22 the bus-owner was impressed. 11:11:25 so was i. 11:12:52 i dont know if that is an endorsement or not but i did learn that devs always have a plan and a logic that they follow. 11:13:01 one, me, just hs to find it. 11:42:04 --- quit: FireFly (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:59:59 --- join: TheBlueWizard (~chatzilla@pool-74-96-143-184.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 12:15:42 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-234.prtc.net) joined #forth 13:21:18 --- join: Carisius (~Carisius@cm-188-171-11-76.telecable.es) joined #forth 13:43:46 --- quit: Carisius (Remote host closed the connection) 13:47:50 .part 13:47:56 --- part: TheBlueWizard left #forth 14:09:28 _spt_ I'm torn between block editors running on the microcontroller providing the shortest compose-test-debug cycle, and the comfort of my favorite editor, (n)vim. 14:09:28 That's why I started ForthFS so I can mount the microcontroller's address spaces over UART as a simple 9p synthetic filesystem on Linux and get the conveniences of both. 14:09:28 http://hub.darcs.net/pointfree/ForthFS 14:09:28 ...but there are complications. Vim buffers files in a swap file while editing I don't want these on the uC. Perhaps I need a union filesystem for those *.swp files, or maybe those should be mapped to the Forth block buffers which get FLUSHed upon saving the file or something...but that's not editor agnostic. 14:27:24 --- join: FireFly (~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com) joined #forth 14:32:54 pointfree: is one of your puters running Linux? 14:33:40 pointfree: you can deblock blocks with dd.1 14:33:45 and reblock too 14:33:52 scriptable. 14:48:05 --- join: spt_1 (~jaat@host-92-30-227-33.as13285.net) joined #forth 14:49:55 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:50:53 --- quit: _spt_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:18:49 --- log: started forth/15.07.19 17:18:49 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 17:18:49 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | http://forthworks.com/standards/DPANS/ | www.greenarraychips.com' 17:18:49 --- topic: set by crc!sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gjufmiaqljwdybvp on [Wed Mar 18 14:28:55 2015] 17:18:49 --- names: list (clog karswell C-Keen FireFly _longines joneshf-laptop +proteusguy Korsi impomatic ASau nisstyre JohnMarkM pointfree TodPunk irsol ggherdov` tangentstorm carc rprimus crc MrMobius defanor kulp Quiznos Vendan diginet pepijndevos dzho bluekelp yiyus Duality newcup DKordic Quozl` scoofy Backer ionthas b4283 phadthai bjorkintosh djinni the_cuckoo nighty^ malyn enthos) 18:19:46 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:21:06 --- join: karswell (~user@75.160.189.80.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 18:38:54 --- join: gabriel_laddel (~user@unaffiliated/gabriel-laddel/x-9909917) joined #forth 19:13:28 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 19:20:53 --- quit: MrMobius (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!) 20:30:52 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 21:19:57 --- quit: gabriel_laddel (Remote host closed the connection) 21:22:44 Quiznos, I guess I'd have to see examples of the structured vs. unstructured code that's being compared in order to understand their definitions. Sounds much like people who bash (or even promote!) agile without understanding what it is. 21:24:44 pointfree, looks interesting! 21:55:38 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-84-42.prtc.net) joined #forth 22:04:39 --- quit: ggherdov` (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:12:30 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22:20:38 --- join: ggherdov` (sid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gszmxjxtyrmdnnma) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.07.19