00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.07.10 00:41:04 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 00:42:25 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 00:44:07 --- join: samrat (~samrat@182.74.34.6) joined #forth 01:01:04 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 01:17:16 --- join: samrat (~samrat@182.74.34.6) joined #forth 01:33:43 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 01:34:48 --- join: samrat (~samrat@49.248.251.230) joined #forth 01:35:32 --- quit: samrat (Client Quit) 01:36:42 --- join: samrat (~samrat@49.248.251.230) joined #forth 01:39:24 + 02:05:32 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-141-216.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:28:05 --- quit: atommann (Quit: Leaving) 03:43:58 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04:26:32 --- quit: defanor (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:26:38 --- join: defanor (~defanor@2a02:7aa0:1619::ca46:4831) joined #forth 04:56:41 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 04:56:44 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@089144195181.atnat0004.highway.a1.net) joined #forth 05:06:07 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 05:16:00 + 05:35:47 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 05:36:58 --- quit: atommann (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:27:10 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-68.prtc.net) joined #forth 06:30:09 --- join: xyh (~user@14.150.212.219) joined #forth 06:36:41 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 06:38:52 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07:38:25 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 07:50:28 --- join: samrat_ (~samrat@123.236.183.215) joined #forth 08:04:16 --- quit: samrat_ (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 08:24:00 --- quit: darkf (Quit: gn) 08:26:18 ok; finally got a forth.o from fasm. 08:26:32 but it wont run yet; haave to replace the int-21h with linux wervices. 08:26:36 yay 09:15:44 anyone playing around with green array? 09:30:49 haven't had the chance but looks interesting. 09:37:10 --- join: xyh (~user@14.150.212.219) joined #forth 09:39:58 huh. i thought it'd be a thing here by now. 09:40:05 wait another year or so, i s'pose. 09:40:38 i understand it is super-extra-ultra-low=power. 09:40:48 ... in terms of consumption. 09:41:36 Quiznos: you are playing with fasm ? 09:57:06 --- join: pgomes (~pgomes@ip923476d3.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 10:05:01 bjorkintosh, what are the development boards running for green array now? 10:05:19 proteusguy, i haven't a clue. 10:07:20 http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/products/ USD $450 for an eval board for a chip that only costs $20 in single quantities. Probably why not many people playing with them. Shouldn't be more than $100-$150 to be able to try one out. 10:21:04 Also the cpus only have 128, 18-bit words of memory local to them so you're talking really small routines. Not for general purpose computing without some serious parallel refactoring. 10:21:10 Still it's an interesting device for sure. 10:25:02 20 bucks for a single processor? 10:29:05 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 10:46:08 I have the feeling that greenarrays is selling BS cpus. maybe again only useable for space. 10:50:48 I must admit that it's actually fun to program those chips. I'm really disappointed that literally nobody wants to try them out. 10:50:57 Looks like you really shouldn't depend on hobbyists, unless you're making next Arduino clone. 10:53:54 why not? 10:54:26 is a card-sized version not a viable option? 10:55:17 --- join: ASau (~user@176.2.113.1) joined #forth 10:56:19 I would like to have one. but I don't want to pay 450 + shipping + EU customs =~ 1k EUR 10:56:57 btw. do you need to have windows for the devkit? 11:04:52 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11:17:32 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-14.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 11:17:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 11:35:25 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 11:42:25 probably. and you need to learn colorforth, iirc. 11:42:46 i love the concept of the chip but price+devenv have been my blockers 11:42:57 and no, it's not a general purpose chip 11:44:52 true-grue, I'm with bluekelp on this one. It does seem like something quite interesting to play with and see how to make 144 computers cooperate to build a few more efficient computers. 11:46:09 But that effort's going to take time and may not amount to anything so blowing ~$500 on something you aren't quite sure how to use it (there aren't good sample projects to learn from that I've seen) is not a likely first option for my next free $500. 11:47:54 If you could get a sample board hooked up to a DRAM slot or two, hdmi output, keyboard in, lots of i/o pins for $60 -$80 I'd probably have a few on my desk right now. 11:50:05 bluekelp: If you think that it's not "it's not a general purpose chip" then you don't need one, for sure. What you may need is a simulator to test your g144 scripts with it. 11:50:09 i don't think that's its use case. seems super low power and simplicity are its forte 11:50:26 bluekelp: You may need some time to get used to this computational model and actual architecture. And then you'll be able to answer yourself, is this chip really not for general purposes, or not. 11:51:03 bluekelp: You may also start from here http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100/ :) 11:53:36 proteusguy: If you have any interesting app already tested on g144 simulator, then I think GA guys would be happy to give you the board for free. 12:05:03 --- part: pgomes left #forth 12:07:53 --- join: bedah (~bedah@dyndsl-037-138-056-253.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #forth 12:10:54 true-grue, I think if I had something compelling I'd be happy to pay for the board myself. :) Where does one get a g144 simulator and will it run on linux? 12:20:12 If you want something more human-friendly, than cF, check these simulators: 12:20:17 http://arrayfactor.org/textpattern/ 12:20:23 https://hackage.haskell.org/package/array-forth 12:21:55 But I didn't tested them. Last time I wrote apps for this architecture was in the times of IntellaSys, on VentureForth. By the way, vF simulator (written by Jeff Fox) was really nice and it may be still a good learning tool even for g144. 12:26:39 Is cd freely available to download? I assume the simulators are dealing with the whole message passing between computers, etc so I have the full g144 capabilities? Is the vF simulator available? 12:26:54 s/cd freely/cf freely/r 12:32:11 proteusguy: vf: http://www.reddit.com/r/Forth/comments/2aeif2/venture_forth_compiler_and_simulator_got_broken/ 12:34:05 The greenarrays site mentions this softsim software but I can't find where one could download it. 12:34:33 With VF you can write programs for S24/S40. They have the same cores as in g144, only different number of them and different pins layout. 12:35:16 missed xyh 12:36:24 proteusguy: http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/support/download-02b.html But there is no support for Linux, as I understand. 12:36:31 proteusguy: VF had Linux support. 12:37:58 Does the af download from Greenarrays include softsim? 12:38:58 Yes, it's a part of it. 12:43:02 true-grue, guess I'll have to see if it runs under wine. :) 12:43:32 proteusguy: http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/greg/cf-wine.htm 12:45:43 true-grue, ah thanx. :) 12:46:15 true-grue, so what kinds of things have you done with g144/40/24? 12:49:15 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@host-92-30-233-1.as13285.net) joined #forth 12:49:15 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 12:49:15 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 12:52:48 proteusguy: Bunch of different music synthesizers and hearing aid device. 12:53:34 The last one was developed with two other guys :) 12:55:58 true-grue, sounds interesting. I'm downloading wine now. 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