00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.06.21 00:44:47 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:57:23 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-75.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 00:57:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 01:17:12 --- nick: CKeen -> C-Keen 01:17:42 --- nick: C-Keen -> Guest49247 01:19:15 --- nick: Guest49247 -> C-Kenn 01:19:18 --- nick: C-Kenn -> C-Keenn 01:20:31 --- nick: C-Keenn -> CKeen 01:40:33 --- nick: CKeen -> C-Keen 01:44:31 --- join: Ananias (~b@73.27.21.31) joined #forth 01:44:43 morning; anyone awake? 01:47:23 no :) 01:47:24 i've been working on forthing an original fig 1.0 8086 fIg forth to linux native 01:47:27 ww 01:47:29 ww 01:47:39 a.w.w 01:47:41 ok' 01:48:10 call it, "remunging FIG' 01:48:18 how you C-Keen ? 01:50:07 "forthing at the mouth" 01:50:28 apropos 01:50:51 i am disgusted withthe low ratio of code reuse in other languages. 01:51:22 are there any fig afficiandos here? 01:53:46 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@c-73-166-109-75.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:54:22 mornin doc 01:54:56 howdy 01:56:02 wow; i'm watching a PBS showabout archeological digs on Sahara 5+ky= years ago. they just vindicated research bout Sphinx erosion befoe that time by MIT scientist who was ridiculed! 01:56:08 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 01:56:20 who was also discussed by a prior pbs episode 01:56:22 nice 01:56:27 ya 01:56:56 not a topic I would ordinarily be that interested in 01:56:59 t5ky ago, this latest show says that sahara was water covered and under a monsoonal weather patter 01:57:02 +n 01:57:11 ./Connecctions/ 01:57:15 i'm into that. 01:57:37 just bored and need to get my mind off some of the stupid crap that happened the past couple of days 01:57:38 and that is what prior mit scientist said years ago 01:57:53 sure, i can do that. 01:57:59 lemme get some cofe 02:01:12 ok 02:01:29 so what's your choice of distrcacting subject to discus? 02:02:02 hmm 02:02:36 completely drawing a blank right now 02:03:02 ok; 02:03:11 did you attend uni? 02:03:26 ha... no, and some would say that is part of my problem 02:03:45 ok; what kind of labor do you do? 02:04:22 oh i have a subject 02:04:26 merchandising, including retail auditing 02:04:36 how to solve your "education" problem. 02:04:39 well... not sure how long merchandising is going to last 02:04:46 ok? 02:05:08 the company I am currently working through... well... let's just say my bosses and I are in the middle of an argument in email concerning withdrawn assignments 02:05:14 anway 02:05:15 anyway* 02:05:41 I have other projects lined up 02:05:43 during the 1990s and early 2000s, I studied at home; reading books on certain subjects, and more reading online. 02:05:52 that's a possibility 02:06:00 i studied history, science, math, law, government. 02:06:04 bringing this back on topic... I taught myself Forth based on previous programming experience 02:06:10 at my own leisure, my own time. 02:06:18 with very little cost out of pocket 02:06:25 and all my other programming was self-taught 02:06:33 ok so extend that studiness. 02:06:40 not that I've used or necessarily can use it for anything that makes me money 02:06:45 oh and i read dictionaries. 02:06:49 yeah 02:06:54 good 02:07:01 I taught myself to read at 3 02:07:08 excelent 02:07:56 i had a problem with "Cape Code" and "Bennith the Sea" (some kind of novel fiction of a paperback book at that age. 02:07:56 I can't really keep talking about that though... it's kind of depressing realizing how smart I was growing up and then everything that has happened since being almost the exact opposite of that 02:07:57 heh 02:08:12 skip it; it happens. 02:08:22 but if you study you can change it. 02:08:29 look at me now 02:08:40 i know alitle latin, greek, and hebrew 02:09:03 can identify a few other languaes 02:09:15 at one point I kind of wanted to learn Japanese or Russian 02:09:18 and can discuss alot of subjeccts semi-intelligently :) 02:09:22 then do so. 02:09:25 now... I might still try to learn American Sign Language 02:09:31 you've got the intarwebs 02:09:38 there re no limits. 02:09:41 pick one. 02:09:50 but only because it's a language used by people who actually cannot use spoken English 02:09:57 sure 02:10:14 the only reason that matters is, "bc i dont know it" 02:10:26 true 02:10:53 I know I would have more jobs open up to me if I learned Spanish 02:11:03 however... just on principle, I probably will not 02:11:06 there ya go 02:11:15 that's another choice 02:11:39 but instead of thining tht way, with a reason "to skip", just add it to a new repetoire 02:11:47 I feel like I'm not being true to myself if I were to go that route... these people came across the border, many of them illegally, without knowing English... and then expect us to learn their language to communicate with them. 02:11:52 as NBC dweebs say, "the more you know" 02:12:07 that is not a valid reason to stunt your education. 02:12:09 sorry but even my ego is not that freaking big. 02:12:31 I would just feel better about myself learning ASL instead 02:12:37 study ethics too 02:12:43 then do so. 02:12:45 good point 02:12:51 ty 02:12:59 not that long ago, I did look at character as it applied to me 02:13:09 ego is about thinking more highly of one's self than one ought to. 02:13:14 quit it, ;] 02:13:42 I'll be honest... going through all of those, showed that in a lot of categories, my character was not that great. not the kind of thing I wanted to learn at my age 02:13:59 ok; then change it. 02:14:05 I am trying my best 02:14:05 be more introspective. 02:14:08 ok 02:14:30 remember what the druns say, "one day at a time" but in your case, "one thought at a time." 02:14:34 drunks 02:15:00 IOW< be more rational. logical. 02:15:18 nd read about Plato and Socrates. 02:15:44 or, just read their works. 02:16:57 you know it's the oddest thing 02:16:59 I never actually have 02:17:14 not many do. not odd at all 02:21:19 is pride really that big of a flaw? 02:21:29 I'm just not a humble person by nature 02:21:39 it is diffficult if not impossible to make me feel shame 02:22:39 thnk of it as a mental block; it is a problem, hunble people dont cotton to exposed pride really tho we can and do overlook it. 02:22:58 shame is a different thing. that is a self-conviction. 02:23:52 pride is a self-elevation, rather than allowing or accepting someone ese to prise/compliment you 02:24:03 praise 02:24:47 the fundamental thing about all this is what i call self-programming. most people dont do it to themselves. 02:25:04 they allow others to do it which is social engineering. and bad form. 02:25:20 programming is programming, regardless of the language. 02:25:38 be more rational. 02:26:42 the way it's gotten over the years... I just feel like if I'm being humble I'm not really being myself 02:26:54 so only in very rare situations do I allow myself to be humbled 02:26:57 and it never lasts very long 02:27:08 as in all things, it takes practice. 02:33:06 sorry computer froze for a few minutes 02:33:21 I just don't see being humble as a useful skill 02:33:37 I'm not a dog, I'm not good at playing dead 02:34:05 no one is asking you to nor is being humble doggish. 02:34:24 it's about relationship. internal and external. 02:40:20 a lot of the time, I feel like it is 02:40:55 when working a lot of jobs I feel like I'm expected to be a trained dog 02:41:01 speak, fetch, roll over, play dead 02:41:14 heel, etc 02:41:38 of course you are; that's the nature if being someone's slave to do the work they dont want to do. 02:41:54 see, in law, slave and employee mean the same thing. 02:42:07 except that lashing is outlawed. 02:42:36 you work for the employer and trade your lanor for other property 02:42:45 labor 02:43:25 is it wrong to see what I'm being paid and have it affect my self-esteem? 02:43:39 I mean... maybe it's this one company is being incredibly cheap 02:44:26 no bc if you think your labor is worth more than you rae being paid, then should respond to that. 02:44:57 ok 02:45:17 ordinarily I would. but in this case things have deteriorated to the point that I'm just going to go looking for someone else to work for 02:45:18 and that is capitalism 02:45:49 offer your labor to the highest bidder 02:45:49 I see both sides of the minimum wage coin... I'm not sure $15 is justifiable but $7.25 is way too low 02:45:58 ok 02:46:19 my nominal hourly rate where I am now is $9.25 but none of the assignments, I mean *none*, have paid hourly. most have been flat rate 02:46:23 most of the time I like flat rate 02:46:31 but the last thing I did... 02:46:55 $2.50 for what should have been a 15 minute assignment. okay. problem is with all the time I had to wait on return phone calls and the manager to have a free moment... 02:47:05 I should have been paid $10 02:47:16 if the contract you have with employer isnt being respected then you have a action in court to force him to honor the contraact. 02:49:23 well... the contract doesn't say I'm entitled to that hourly rate on all projects 02:50:24 but you still think that the particular job should have been at the high rate; so appeal their decision internally first. 02:50:27 I'm not even sure what it really says... the messed up part is that there are hourly projects and when I had them, I feel like I am being ripped off if I don't report a full hour 02:51:00 up the chain. yo have to exhaust internal administrative appeals first before filing an action in court. 02:51:04 honestly... it's a lot of effort for $7.50 when the bigger issue is taking about $50 worth of work off my board, including a $10 assignment that was not yet late 02:52:13 if it were more than that I would. but I'm not spending that kind of time chasing down $7.50 02:52:19 I may mention it in my resignation letter 02:52:20 if you do exhaust internally, then you could possibly appeal to small-claims court if the amount in contrversey is within the court's legislated money-range. 02:52:26 pff 02:52:33 yeah, spend $100 filing a suit over $7.50 02:52:43 hmm 02:52:50 pretty much the definition of Pyrrhic victory 02:53:04 be sure of the that filing fee by reading the law statutes re small-claims court 02:53:11 it's all online. 02:53:19 good use ;] 02:53:33 but dont be fatalist yet 02:55:24 oh and if yo ufollow the above, be sure to make copious notes for yourself about who you spoke to, what you said, their response, etc; best to do this procedure IN writing ONLY. 02:55:53 that way, the court can follow your progress; and date mark everything you do. 02:56:06 that kind of evidence goes along way in court. 02:56:18 and when you file, be sure to file ONLY copies of your stuff. 02:56:37 keep the original papers handy tho as verifiction to show court 02:58:42 the title of your complain, internal and external, should be "breach of contract" 02:59:34 and the reaason you would file in court is bc accused didnt obey private contract 02:59:58 brb 03:04:05 .. 03:14:39 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-137-65.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 03:22:34 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 03:23:43 mornin. 03:24:54 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@089144233160.atnat0042.highway.a1.net) joined #forth 03:37:33 ok thanks for the advice 03:41:44 --- quit: DocPlatypus (Quit: Leaving) 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seconds) 10:14:54 hi all. what's the best way to handle a separate rstack context? 10:25:26 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 10:34:31 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote host closed the connection) 11:04:34 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 11:15:19 --- quit: mcayland (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 11:51:48 --- join: newcup (newcup@peruna.fi) joined #forth 11:52:59 with bits and registers. 11:53:03 more detail? 12:03:29 --- quit: enthos__ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12:04:29 --- join: enthos (~enthos@124-10-19-211.dynamic.tfn.net.tw) joined #forth 12:30:06 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 12:32:25 --- join: Mat4 (~claude@ip18863485.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 12:32:28 hello 12:47:45 hi 12:51:00 hi Ananias 12:51:56 you are the one who write a Fig Forth for linux ? 12:59:16 porting but not as author. just fond of the fig model. 12:59:58 i'm prting the fig model to a forthy implementation on linux. 13:00:02 porting 13:00:41 i figered out the indirectly threaded bit by experiment 13:00:57 with separate code and data sections. 13:01:11 so it can be a normal ELF binary. 13:03:47 the first Forth system I used was a Fig Forth 13:04:04 however this was long time ago 13:05:03 ya 13:15:50 the key to forthy indirection on linuxELF x86 is that in protected mode, all data must be separated from code. by at least 4k bytes. 13:16:01 section alignment. 13:16:42 and in C, this is clearly represented as a function-pointerl (*fp)(). 13:17:04 fo tis the data section variable name whoe value is a .code address. 13:17:51 in assembly language, one can label data labels with lower-case labels, and capitalise code labels in the .code section. 13:18:10 nd bss labels are also down-cased. 13:20:53 why should data be separated at page boundary ? 13:21:22 for speed reading by and in the cpu caches 13:21:33 1 each for code and data 13:23:11 to my information this is done at prefetch stage (at least for recent Intel processors) 13:23:39 sure 13:24:00 the 1st level caches are quite large so cache misses shouldn't be a problem for indirect threading 13:24:47 BTB mispredictions however are 13:25:28 which is very good for forth's small kernel of asm code. 13:25:40 4k or more. 13:25:49 and can be tigter 13:26:09 the data is the large part with native sized data cells. 13:26:19 --- join: mrm (~user@94.41.3.93.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined #forth 13:26:26 ah ok, you try to ensure caching of the whole interpreter, right ? 13:26:29 but now, with modern hw and incredible speed, none of that is an issue any more 13:26:35 ya 13:26:46 there's no reason for the kernel to be huge. 13:26:50 that's not forthy. 13:27:30 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 13:27:32 in my threaded exeriments, i had a 1k kernel, the rest of the space was data high level word 13:27:36 words 13:28:05 and that inclded a fully generic primitive for linux kernel function calls 13:28:26 and very small subr for that. < 10 bytes. 13:28:57 and between 4 to 6 HL words to exec linux svc calls. 13:30:06 and i tried to make kernel even smaller by eliminating .code code beyond the 1 byte limit distance from next 13:30:13 there exist a trick. Invalidate the 1st level cache then perform a jump to jour kernel. This way the whole code get cached for sure 13:30:28 but if i embed next in each primitive, then that limit could be ignored. 13:31:03 the 1byte limit being the single byte flagged jmps from a signed offset 13:31:09 -128 -127 13:31:15 oops +127 13:32:03 you can limit code size further by implementing token threading 13:32:29 nop 13:32:33 that's not fig 13:32:46 i want a real fig model imlementation. 13:33:40 i also changed the fig model word structure, for better/easer access. 13:34:00 --- quit: true-grue_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:34:03 fig model: nfa[], *lfa, *cfa, pfa[] 13:34:05 ok? 13:34:32 my model: name[]; *nfa, *lfa, *cfa, *pfa. 13:34:53 now i can dump traverse; and highly simplify the access words. 13:35:14 why that one change wasnt done decades ago, i dont jnow but it makes complete sense. 13:35:29 and i can also seaprate the flags byte and make cell-sized 13:35:53 also thinking of adding lispiness to it nativeky 13:36:03 since the cfa is basicly a type field... 13:36:29 and then 13:37:10 for the piece du resistance, make a linux distro withonly linux and forth and a modest block-img file. 13:37:36 and the linux kernel could be built without fs!!! 13:37:44 no libs 13:38:06 immediatley extensibke and extendable 13:38:09 at runtime 13:38:27 for this, you can take a look at the GForth sources. There exist a experiment loading it as kernel module 13:38:48 can yo imagein a full on forth system on modern hw, with linux doing the heavy lifting> 13:38:56 k 13:39:11 but i dont want to contaminate my work with soeone else's 13:39:55 and with lispy features, functional programming becomes are real and native possibility 13:40:04 not like joy 13:40:14 fp on the hw 13:40:49 good idea for sure ! 13:41:05 i just need to grok how grub can load a kernel on bare partition, without fs. 13:41:08 very 13:41:47 Do you prefer Grub legacy or Grub 2 ? 13:42:43 for later I think the way to go is chain loading 13:42:48 97 13:42:58 2 is too complliccated now. 13:43:24 and lilo is too inflexible. 13:43:29 hmm, should work for the older versions too 13:43:34 ya 13:43:45 can grub be configured to just load the specified sector at the same location in memory that MBR usually gets loaded into on boot? 13:44:36 i nthink oso; that is basicly chainging DOS. 13:44:42 chaining 13:45:12 that is theoretical possible for a multiboot conform binary 13:45:45 because this way you can set the load address 13:46:14 k 13:46:27 or an original dos .com binary imagae 13:46:37 no reloccaions to worry about 13:47:34 I am thinking about how one can omitt dos and other such bloat and just run a forth directly on the metal. 13:47:57 get an old fig .com and load it 13:48:09 the easiest way would be chain loading a multiboot conform binary 13:48:23 that's how we did it without using dos 13:48:31 or use dos to laod and wipe out the ram. 13:48:41 but dos only does 16bit real mode. 13:48:51 grub sets PM 13:48:54 can 13:49:00 and linux kernel too 13:49:47 I would only use Grub for booting because this way my kenrel can be loaded even from UEFI firmwares 13:49:54 kernel 13:50:32 oh, CIOS. (Complex Input Output System) 13:50:40 an alternative would be core boot 13:50:41 but where ya gonna keep grub? i dont have a fs :) 13:51:12 either use some other track one booter or... i duno 13:51:55 UEFI boots from an hidden partition which is formatted with Fat32? 13:52:22 c;mon, i want to use my 1.5Tb disk for forth! 13:52:24 bahaha 13:52:37 all dem blocks make me hungry 13:52:54 then simply write a boot loader which fits in the MBR 13:52:59 ya 13:53:35 but i do like the idea of lnux high level svcs. 13:54:42 it is not practical to load a Linux kernel directly without a boot loader 13:54:54 maybe 13:56:14 i need to ponder how linux will resomd without a fs. just a plain blockdev 13:56:19 respond 13:57:23 no tools, no installed pkgs. 13:57:36 need to develope forth co-routeins too 13:57:52 well that systemd will flail around and kernel panic. 13:57:53 and a pthreaad thingy too 13:58:03 not installed 13:58:09 no pkgs 14:01:02 probably an uC Linux kernel is what you searching for 14:09:05 why? 14:13:02 so you can become lost at C! 14:13:26 because it can be loaded as single binary inclusive your Forth system 14:13:44 --- quit: mrm (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 14:14:20 i dont want c. 14:14:24 i want forth 14:15:25 i was thinking of using forth as a booter too. but for complications 14:15:42 to having to port a elf loader 14:16:38 but not likely 14:17:03 or 14:17:31 make a ramdisk disk that will fit in ram, and can be writ out when done. 14:17:37 hmm 14:18:55 i also have an idea for a non-compile time conditional, better than if-else-fi 14:19:43 and a method for compiling sub words during compile; like pascal functions within procedures etc 14:19:57 embedded word definitions. 14:23:34 its all very lispy 14:52:39 need some sleep, ciao 14:52:42 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Verlassend) 15:06:22 --- quit: phadthai (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15:06:48 --- join: phadthai (mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net) joined #forth 15:12:40 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 15:15:52 --- quit: bedah (Quit: Ex-Chat) 15:17:11 --- quit: johnmark_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 15:17:15 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 15:20:23 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 16:19:56 --- quit: johnmark_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:20:24 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 18:41:11 --- quit: johnmark_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18:48:58 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 19:25:00 --- quit: johnmark_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19:26:42 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 19:42:41 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 20:49:00 --- quit: johnmark_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:50:38 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 21:46:29 --- join: arktvrvs (patrick@2001:470:7c:287:1e3e:84ff:fe50:ebad) joined #forth 21:50:03 --- part: arktvrvs left #forth 22:31:30 --- join: darkf_ (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 22:34:37 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22:35:01 --- quit: darkf (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:35:15 --- nick: darkf_ -> darkf 22:41:06 --- join: darkf_ (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 22:43:33 --- quit: darkf (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:43:36 --- nick: darkf_ -> darkf 22:54:03 --- join: darkf_ (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 22:55:33 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 22:57:16 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-229.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 22:57:16 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 22:57:25 --- quit: darkf (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:59:27 --- nick: darkf_ -> darkf 23:14:02 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-238-165.prtc.net) joined #forth 23:19:17 --- part: kumul left #forth 23:33:48 --- join: impomatic_ (~impomatic@32.127.113.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 23:36:41 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 23:36:43 --- nick: impomatic_ -> impomatic 23:37:20 --- quit: Guest57220 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:39:23 --- join: dys (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) joined #forth 23:39:24 --- nick: dys -> Guest97135 23:58:26 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-140-31.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.06.21