00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.06.17 00:16:02 --- quit: atommann (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:17:09 --- join: sammecs (~julius@pD958B50A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 00:20:31 I heard about Forth when @ESA tweetet about it; Philea is written in this language. What makes it so special? What are your experiences with it? 00:31:25 It is archaic technology that worked when computers were weaker and you had to compensate it with human labour. 00:31:40 Today it is irrelevant. 00:32:45 Since Forth's heyday people have learned more efficient algorithms for parsing, semantic analysis and code generation. 00:32:57 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 00:43:56 So it was a big deal in the past, but now replacements are available. 00:48:33 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 00:58:51 It was a big deal in the past very long ago. 00:58:56 --- quit: sammecs (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 00:59:08 Before mid-80s. 01:04:53 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:06:33 --- join: ASau (~user@176.2.72.161) joined #forth 01:14:51 --- join: ASau` (~user@176.2.72.161) joined #forth 01:15:01 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:25:24 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 01:39:59 --- join: C-Keen 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(~user@137.148.115.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 09:45:27 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@188.159.1.111) joined #forth 09:45:31 --- quit: karswell (*.net *.split) 09:45:31 --- quit: scoofy (*.net *.split) 11:11:29 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:12:12 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:12:29 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:36:39 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-237-101.prtc.net) joined #forth 11:36:39 --- quit: Zarutian (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11:39:54 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:44:32 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 11:59:16 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-64-237-237-101.prtc.net) joined #forth 12:01:00 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12:03:27 --- join: impomatic_ (~digital_w@32.127.113.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 12:04:12 --- quit: Zarutian (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 12:04:47 --- quit: Keshl (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12:07:50 --- quit: kumool (Quit: Leaving) 12:25:59 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 12:58:44 --- join: Keshl (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 13:06:33 Even worse, C is still widely used __today__. 13:11:41 more used than forth 13:19:31 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 13:23:12 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-236-101.prtc.net) joined #forth 13:59:40 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:09:42 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 14:26:34 DKordic: Cobol is still used rather widely __today__, yet is looked upon as being obsolete. 14:27:51 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 14:46:21 --- quit: nighty-_ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 14:51:02 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 15:04:31 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 15:29:16 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:49:12 so... your point being that obsolescence is about use and not about actual utility or advancements in prog lang design? 16:52:01 Any language that is designed and used by its designers is obsolete already by that definition. 16:57:04 it's not really clear to me what obsolete even means. 17:26:35 cant they do the same thing go did and just port all of that cobol code to a better language? 17:28:24 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:32:57 --- join: karswell (~user@137.148.115.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 18:00:53 --- quit: nighty-_ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 18:22:20 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-170.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 18:22:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 18:59:09 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 18:59:22 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 20:05:04 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Quit: Leaving) 21:03:03 --- join: phadthai_ (mmondor@ginseng.pulsar-zone.net) joined #forth 21:03:35 --- quit: phadthai (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:03:52 --- quit: nisstyre (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21:17:17 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:17:39 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 21:32:21 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com) joined #forth 21:44:30 --- quit: impomatic_ (Quit: impomatic_) 21:47:50 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:53:04 --- join: impomatic (~impomatic@32.127.113.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 22:18:20 --- join: BeagleSeven (~milq@76-10-186-121.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 22:25:36 lots of experience in C, new to Forth; can anybody help me on Gforth? I'm barely past "Hello, World!". Trying to load source file, but get only errors. :( 22:26:42 Learn some real programming language instead. 22:26:59 like ...? 22:27:26 Python, Scheme, Common Lisp, O'Caml, Scala, Haskell... 22:27:28 Lot's of them. 22:27:49 so why not forth? 22:28:08 Because it is obsolete and mostly a toy these days. 22:29:21 could be, well I'm doing some Python anyway 22:32:54 its not a big deal, or issue, just wanted to actually write code in forth which actually ran, not for anything crucial, sigh 22:34:25 what's the actual error message you get? 22:34:37 --- nick: phadthai_ -> phadthai 22:34:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +o tangentstorm 22:34:46 --- kick: ASau was kicked by tangentstorm (ASau) 22:34:50 --- mode: tangentstorm set -o tangentstorm 22:35:24 something about unfefined word 22:35:45 undefined word 22:36:15 i can give you the offending code 22:36:16 which word? 22:36:25 okay. sure. post it to ideone.com 22:36:37 (their forth runner should be gforth) 22:36:46 ok thanks verh 22:36:58 very much 22:41:38 http://ideone.com/XNvmh0 <- hello world 22:47:09 The code ran when I entered it in the shell, but not when I tried to load the same stuff from a text file 22:47:52 I mean here, not on the websitd 22:48:48 probably just some tiny difference you're not noticing yet. 22:49:35 I'm in a bit of a mess right now, and will have to go, but thankz for the help! 22:49:58 --- quit: BeagleSeven (Quit: Bye-bye for now!) 22:51:07 okie doke. 22:59:15 --- quit: atommann (Read error: Connection timed out) 23:01:18 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 23:05:48 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 23:06:14 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 23:11:07 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:42:13 ul 23:42:18 ooops, sorry 23:48:34 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.06.17