00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.05.22 00:06:37 --- join: t4nk605 (0232cfea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.50.207.234) joined #forth 00:24:03 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@2601:9:4300:438:e42d:2085:7b58:e4df) joined #forth 00:29:05 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 01:04:48 --- join: mtsd (~mtsd@h-79-136-49-171.na.cust.bahnhof.se) joined #forth 02:38:27 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-24-23-168-196.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:39:43 --- quit: regreg (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:43:02 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02:58:05 --- join: regreg (~regreg@85.120.248.129) joined #forth 03:32:23 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@dyn-62-56-76-198.dslaccess.co.uk) joined #forth 03:42:26 --- quit: cataska (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) 03:57:34 --- quit: atommann (Quit: Leaving) 03:59:44 --- quit: t4nk605 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04:12:02 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@cpe-67-241-148-119.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined #forth 04:36:40 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 04:57:34 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:58:22 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-48.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 04:58:22 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 05:30:45 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 05:31:23 --- quit: Zarutian (Remote host closed the connection) 05:47:48 --- join: dzho_ (~dzho@unaffiliated/dzho) joined #forth 05:48:13 --- quit: dzho_ (Client Quit) 05:50:44 --- join: emodzhi (~dzho@unaffiliated/dzho) joined #forth 06:54:32 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-236-70.prtc.net) joined #forth 07:16:21 --- quit: mtsd (Quit: leaving) 07:31:05 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 07:50:12 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 08:34:36 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 08:35:44 --- join: t4nk113 (0232cfea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.50.207.234) joined #forth 08:35:47 --- nick: johnmark_ -> JohnMarkM 08:48:11 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@38.122.200.194) joined #forth 08:58:01 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 09:07:00 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-64-237-236-70.prtc.net) joined #forth 09:10:37 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09:46:29 --- join: xyh (~user@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 09:46:37 I find it will be hard to support UNLOAD after one use hash table to implement the dictionary. 09:55:43 probably :) 09:56:05 you could use a linked list of hash tables 10:02:44 it will be a stack of hash-table, for the loaded code must be unloaded in order. 10:02:46 but maybe as a low-level language, I should give up this feature :P 10:09:22 tangentstorm: see this :) http://www.reddit.com/r/forth/wiki/dialects 10:20:47 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 10:44:39 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 10:49:32 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-236-70.prtc.net) joined #forth 10:54:22 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 10:58:23 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12:04:58 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-236-70.prtc.net) joined #forth 12:06:28 --- join: noneofmynickswor (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 12:07:19 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:09:54 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12:12:06 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 12:23:45 --- join: ASau (~user@176.4.57.3) joined #forth 12:37:33 --- join: bedah (~bedah@dyndsl-095-033-216-217.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #forth 12:42:36 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 12:43:42 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 13:01:21 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 13:05:41 --- quit: noneofmynickswor (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13:33:21 neat. hadn't heard of conseptizer 13:33:46 maybe we should add ansi forth and colorforth. 13:33:48 i'll do it 13:35:15 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 13:37:00 huh. the official doc seems to be online at: http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/dpans94.pdf 13:37:34 "Provided that this entire 13:37:36 notice of copyright and purpose is included on the first page of paper documentation or prominently in 13:37:38 online or machine-readable documentation, this document may be copied in its entirety ..." 13:37:40 cool 13:39:56 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:43:39 erm green arrays has embraed the ans NON forth standard? 13:45:57 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 13:46:11 pretty sure you can program their chips in standard forth if you want. 13:46:50 ugh 13:47:02 who declares that thats the standard 13:47:05 i think their software ships with two different forths: colorforth and some other thing i didn't really look at because i only cared about colorforth. :) 13:47:08 some self appointed committee 13:47:14 not the inventor of the language 13:48:32 which is why i was wondering why green a's have adopted its use at all 13:49:40 well ANS forth is a nice read but not nescisarly to implement 13:49:55 maybe they wanted to sell to companies that already use forth? 13:50:12 * Zarutian recommends eForth for people that are dipping their toes into making their own forths 13:50:14 mark4: it's a selling point to some potential customers "Supports standard Forth!" 13:50:36 GeDaMo: a tick box basically 13:51:18 Zarutian, eforth is good 13:51:40 Exactly 13:51:53 isforth is somewhat more complex but also still good for a beginner.. or would be if my documentation was complete 13:52:12 well the only thing i dont like about eforth IS ans forth 13:52:29 i dont think it makes it bad but i dont like the ans standard 13:52:34 mark4: extremely portable I have found. Yes the docu for eForth is pretty nice. 13:52:53 well it is only a bit ANS forth afaisi 13:53:03 Zarutian, portable code is a MYTH a complete and utter crock of SHIT. SPECIALLY not ans forth 13:53:40 you show me any "portable" ans forth sources and they will be chock full of conditional compilations based on which ans forth compiler is used to build 13:53:43 mark4: I meant the eForth is portable to other archs. One only needs to implement a few primitives 13:53:49 oh this compiler doesnt have the foo definition... lets define foo 13:54:12 oh. yes any well written forth will be easilly ported 13:54:27 i ported isforth to arm (32 bit) and thum2 (16/32) 13:54:39 and to android NDK 13:54:45 tho thats a work in progress 13:54:46 tough I am still puzzled about the eight or so cells at the start of User/System Area 13:55:12 maybe they are for possible future enhancements 13:55:27 or are there for some extension he uses 13:55:42 or they could be there for ANY extension to use 13:55:51 like a user defined purpose. 13:55:53 well, eForth was originally on x86 and I think this might have been something to do with interrupts clobbering those cells 13:55:57 write your own multi tasker.. use that zone 13:56:23 sounds like a bug to me.. (not in eforth) 13:56:54 yeb and those cells are reserved as a workaround perhaps 13:57:37 but man, why didnt vectored interrupts gain more currency with architecture designers. 13:58:07 the linux kernel has a option to reserve space at the bottonm of memory that the BIOS might clobber 13:58:20 i.e. reserve this space unless you know your bios doesnt clobber it 13:58:40 on something like J1 or RTX2010 they are dead easy to microcode for 13:59:38 ok feel free to edit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Forth/wiki/dialects 14:11:48 http://karpathy.github.io/2015/05/21/rnn-effectiveness/ <- this looks fun. I wonder if one could make the ?boxes? in the first diagram run on GA144 computers (one or two comp per box) or something similiar 14:13:18 i've had that guy's blog as my front page as a reminder to read it for like a month now. i should really do that. 14:19:52 --- quit: regreg (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 14:22:20 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 14:56:34 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 14:58:33 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 15:08:30 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:15:05 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:27:22 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Quit: Leaving) 15:33:26 --- join: skyl4rk (~Leo@c-2ec30c80-74736162.cust.telenor.se) joined #forth 15:47:48 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:09:50 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@24.1.223.32) joined #forth 16:10:24 --- nick: johnmark_ -> JohnMarkM 16:11:40 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@cpe-68-203-183-182.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 16:15:48 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 16:16:51 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:38:22 --- join: skyl42k (~Leo@c-2ec31c9e-74736162.cust.telenor.se) joined #forth 16:39:32 --- quit: skyl4rk (Disconnected by services) 16:39:46 --- nick: skyl42k -> skyl4rk 16:57:04 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 17:16:41 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 18:11:46 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18:25:56 --- join: bedah2 (~bedah@dyndsl-037-138-060-229.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined #forth 18:25:59 --- quit: t4nk113 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 18:26:19 --- quit: bedah2 (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:29:19 --- quit: bedah (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 18:47:07 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Quit: Leaving) 18:47:28 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 18:49:57 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:50:07 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 19:22:44 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@unaffiliated/elaforest) joined #forth 19:26:07 --- quit: elaforest (Client Quit) 19:51:01 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 20:02:29 --- quit: skyl4rk (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20:09:25 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 20:23:56 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 20:32:51 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-114.prtc.net) joined #forth 20:35:45 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-64-237-239-70.prtc.net) joined #forth 20:39:32 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 21:06:39 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@cpe-67-241-148-119.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:02:08 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 22:02:14 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Quit: Leaving) 22:25:45 --- join: dys (~andreas@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:f66d:4ff:fec1:4421) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.05.22