00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.04.13 00:04:26 i'm sure you're all *thrilled* my jonesforth port is "kinda" working ;p 00:04:52 what? 00:08:38 i'm just joking - and kinda of venting. still debugging it. but soon (i hope) i'll be in bare-metal forth land 00:20:47 bluekelp, porting to ARM or some other CPU? 00:21:50 dview, Mark seems to not want to use github for some reason and I've offered to pay his domain fee. not sure what the hangup is but he wants to deal with it himself. Appreciate the gesture though. 00:23:18 proteusguy: nothing so interesting - porting from att to intel syntax 00:23:33 i failed at my arm/thumb port - so am back at x86 for a while 00:24:00 now just trying to marry it to my (in progress) bare metal boot code + keyboard input project 00:24:09 bluekelp, oh?? why did I think it was already intel syntax? hmm.. must be a long time since I looked at it. Appreciate the preference, however. 00:29:01 bluekelp: what? but jonesforth is in intel syntax 00:29:07 i need att syntax version 00:33:03 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 00:46:01 yunfan: the version i found is att syntax. just a sec i'll find the github 00:46:10 if you have an intel version, please share 00:46:34 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-155-84.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 00:47:04 https://github.com/AlexandreAbreu/jonesforth - att 00:47:18 https://github.com/chengchangwu/jonesforth - att 00:48:03 http://git.annexia.org/?p=jonesforth.git - att 01:01:15 bluekelp: ok will check that 01:04:15 bluekelp: its, since when they use att syntax? 01:04:30 i remember the original sourcecode of jonesforth is in intel syntax? 01:04:39 or am i read your porting? :D 01:06:09 haha - my porting isn't anywhere public yet. perhaps someone else did (i have been unable to find it yet) 01:06:20 or maybe you're thinking of a different forth than jonesforth? 01:08:18 nope, the original sourcecode i have cloned is written in intel syntax which i dislike, so i gave up reading it 01:12:41 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:17:37 haha. shoot. well i wish i had intel to begin with ;) oh well 01:17:51 it's ported - just debugging the bugs i introduced under linux now 01:18:37 maybe he switched to use gcc since most systems are likely to have that by default than nasm/fasm/etc. 01:19:51 it might be required by the c world? 01:20:04 since you need to use att syntax for inline asm 01:26:48 right. there are ways to interface c+asm but i suspect the convenience of just using gcc for everyhing (asm+link, etc.) made it a good choice 01:30:09 bluekelp: do you experience at arm asm? 01:30:19 i did a little. 01:30:53 i started bootstrapping a forth (loosely based on jones) and got the inner interp "mostly" working - 01:31:45 but when i moved the word definitions around it broke. so i obviously have issues i haven't found and fixed yet 01:32:12 i like arm. thumb not as much - they took out the cool bits ;) 01:34:07 i want to know what make different boards diffences if they use the same arm chip?? 01:34:52 like for those many cellphone which use quamntomn's chip while have some different ram or flash chip 01:36:43 there are different arm chip types/capabilities. some are geared for super-low power consumption (at the expense of speed), some are faster and have more capabilities 01:37:07 i mean same chip 01:37:11 i don't remember the specifics but there are others who do 01:37:12 but different board 01:37:19 ah 01:37:47 thus they might be different at ram chip or flash chip, but not the cpu 01:38:40 its just the mobile phone's situation, there're only small amount of soc there, but the board are quite many 01:38:56 well the cpu by itself doesn't do much except process. it needs peripherals to do stuff like gps, or motion detection 01:42:23 then what about the address mapping? 01:43:49 yeah diff boards may wire up diff things in diff places. so the code will have to know that and be written accordingly 01:46:29 is it possible to detech those configuration from android system? 01:46:34 since it already running 02:09:05 probably not easily. not really. it would depend on the phone vendor, firmare+hardware combo, etc. 02:09:39 and any code you run on a non-jailbroken phone is jailed and you have limited access to the OS/environment 02:09:55 good night! 02:14:52 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 02:15:26 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:15:39 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 02:19:46 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03:24:46 --- join: GeDaMo (~GeDaMo@212.225.93.112) joined #forth 03:26:58 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:06:52 --- quit: nighty^ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 04:08:35 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 04:39:34 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 05:19:38 --- join: vsg1990 (~vsg1990@cpe-67-241-148-119.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined #forth 05:19:39 --- quit: saml_ (Quit: Leaving) 06:13:46 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 06:22:24 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 06:34:50 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-123.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 06:34:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 07:20:17 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 07:21:30 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Ave atque vale) 07:38:46 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-84-73.prtc.net) joined #forth 07:40:34 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 07:57:12 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 08:02:35 --- join: Plazma (plazma@freenode/staff-emeritus/plazma) joined #forth 08:08:48 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 08:49:51 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 09:01:57 --- join: johnmark (~johnmark@c-73-51-235-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:02:14 --- nick: johnmark -> JohnMarkM 09:10:22 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 09:10:46 --- join: JohnMarkM (~johnmark@c-73-51-235-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:29:17 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 09:29:31 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:40:37 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@46.22.110.168) joined #forth 10:47:41 --- join: ASau (~user@46.115.7.232) joined #forth 10:48:17 --- join: karswell` (~user@63.6.200.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 10:52:43 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 10:55:41 --- quit: karswell (Excess Flood) 11:02:30 --- join: pointfree-w530 (~awagner@pool-108-7-150-45.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 11:36:40 --- join: impomatic_ (~chatzilla@87.112.25.163) joined #forth 11:38:02 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11:38:05 --- nick: impomatic_ -> impomatic 12:27:54 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 12:29:49 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 12:30:04 --- join: ASau (~user@46.115.7.232) joined #forth 12:32:16 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 12:56:23 --- join: Mat4 (~claude@ip188619bb.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 12:56:27 hi all 12:56:58 Hi Mat4 :) 12:57:12 hello GeDaMo 12:58:37 does someone know a bare-metal forth for the Raspberri 2 board ? 13:00:44 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 13:02:02 the one with the ARM 7 coprocessor for these VLIW CPU misused as GPU ;) 13:04:22 I don't know of a bare-metal forth for it no. gforth, SwiftX, VFX, and isforth can all run under linux on it. 13:05:16 well I think the ARM isforth is unfindable for now. I haven't actually seen it; I just saw the author's postings about it on some raspberry pi forum 13:06:38 SwiftX I imagine can be persuaded to run bare-metal on that, since arm-linux is the only target that it *doesn't* run bare-metal on ... but I don't know about that. 13:10:53 thanks 13:12:39 * Mat4 thinks about writing one after finishing my current project 13:23:16 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 13:30:02 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:52:58 --- quit: GeDaMo (Remote host closed the connection) 14:24:21 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-230-123.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 14:24:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 14:25:28 --- quit: nighty^ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14:34:17 --- quit: mnemnion () 14:36:29 --- quit: pointfree-w530 (Quit: leaving) 14:48:05 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:08:27 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Verlassend) 15:23:35 --- join: karswell (~user@31.185.228.19) joined #forth 15:36:49 --- join: karswell` (~user@149.6.90.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 15:37:49 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 15:39:56 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-201.prtc.net) joined #forth 16:08:33 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 16:09:24 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 16:09:42 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:15:13 --- join: karswell` (~user@87.112.156.176) joined #forth 16:15:59 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16:17:12 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 16:33:57 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 17:27:08 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 19:11:58 --- join: ASau` (~user@46.115.180.194) joined #forth 19:15:19 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 19:23:48 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 19:36:27 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 20:00:00 --- quit: kumul (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:09:36 --- quit: ASau` (*.net *.split) 20:09:36 --- quit: dzho (*.net *.split) 20:09:36 --- quit: xpoqp (*.net *.split) 20:09:36 --- quit: kulp (*.net *.split) 20:11:42 --- join: ASau` (~user@46.115.180.194) joined #forth 20:15:49 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-201.prtc.net) joined #forth 20:15:49 --- join: kulp (kulp@unaffiliated/kulp) joined #forth 20:15:49 --- join: dzho (~dzho@unaffiliated/dzho) joined #forth 20:15:49 --- join: xpoqp (~xpo@unaffiliated/xpoqz) joined #forth 20:25:27 --- quit: atommann (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20:42:05 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Quit: Leaving) 20:48:15 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:04:28 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 22:07:30 --- join: noneofmynickswor (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-201.prtc.net) joined #forth 22:11:32 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22:22:12 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 22:41:44 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:06:19 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 23:07:20 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 23:08:45 --- join: impomatic_ (~chatzilla@87.112.25.163) joined #forth 23:10:13 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 23:11:24 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:11:25 --- nick: impomatic_ -> impomatic 23:20:04 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 23:30:45 --- quit: noneofmynickswor (Quit: Leaving) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.04.13