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(~MrMobius@c-71-206-218-187.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:12:57 --- quit: MrMobius_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18:13:39 --- join: MrMobius_ (~MrMobius@c-71-206-218-187.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:16:02 --- quit: vsg1990 (Quit: Leaving) 18:27:23 where is isforth hosted these days? 18:28:21 It's not as the domain hasn't been renewed but you can find it on the internet archive still. 18:29:25 huh, the actual tarball can be downloaded through archive.org as well? 18:29:31 yep :) 18:29:36 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 18:41:23 thanks, found it 18:57:10 groovy. good luck. 18:58:07 --- join: Yunfan-phone (~jyfl987@183.166.175.210) joined #forth 19:11:16 --- join: atommann (~atommann@58.251.2.94) joined #forth 19:22:55 --- quit: Yunfan-phone (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 19:31:24 how long does mark have until he cannot renew the domain? 19:33:07 the registration doesn't expire until feb 2016 19:34:03 but it was updated 17mar2015. I guess it's good and parked? 19:34:15 isforth.us can be had for like $5/year, anyway 19:34:25 did someone poach it or did he/someone renew? 19:34:40 are there any domains less than USD $10/yr? 19:34:55 yeah. the .us one. I only checked one registration site though. 19:35:00 i didn't think .us would be that much cheaper than .com 19:35:04 huh. good to know. 19:35:36 iirc it used to be hosted by a friend - i found them via whois once 19:35:50 well, 5.95/yr. the .co one is $30 ! 19:37:56 meanwhile... I've realized that ciforth has actually very little overhead. just not by default :) probably because it doesn't mmap its block file. those seeks and reads add up. 19:38:18 overpriced domains are a waste, IMO. anyway. just wanted to make sure mark could have/get it back if he wanted. domains are only like $10-15/yr so it was a shame for him to need to have it lapse 19:39:06 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 19:39:54 howdy 19:45:11 dview: how much does it require at default? 19:47:04 a .us domain? or do you mean when a domain goes into default, or something? 19:51:11 nope i mean ciforth 19:51:44 you said ciforth has very little overhead, i am very interesting of how much overhead has it? 20:00:49 ah 20:06:03 comparatively, if a file just has an empty line (since lina -s skips the first line always) and then BYE, for lina to start up, read that file, and then quit, takes about 19s real, 11s user, 0.3s sys 20:06:17 isforth takes 3s real, .03s user, 0.16s sys 20:06:58 that took me a second to answer because I had to kill my shell when I tried the isforth test :p ciforth and isforth are both case-sensitive. but ciforth wants BYE and isforth wants bye (lowercase). 20:07:22 so with simple tests like that, lina seems to have the overhead of a mountain 20:09:20 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 20:11:11 but when the fseeks and block loads and such are skipped, the same test finishes in about 0.37s/0.02s/0.13s. so actually much less than default isforth. 20:13:37 even something like 'lina -f BYE', run in a loop, takes about 10x longer than 'cmd BYE', when cmd does literally the same thing -- just with modules preloaded. 20:14:58 --- quit: MrMobius_ (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 20:33:33 --- quit: saml_ (Remote host closed the connection) 20:33:42 --- join: MrMobius_ (~MrMobius@c-71-206-218-187.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:36:04 dview: what about memory cost? 20:46:41 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:47:06 --- join: ASau (~user@46.115.0.137) joined #forth 20:47:27 --- quit: MrMobius_ (Remote host closed the connection) 20:49:52 --- quit: JohnMarkM (Quit: Leaving) 20:55:06 *shrug*, I'm not as concerned by that. if I had a thousand scripts, and each one of them were individual turnkey systems, then memory use would probably rise significantly, as memory wouldn't be shared 20:55:23 but when it comes to preloading scripts, you only need one modified system 20:56:27 so you have one fatter-than-normal ciforth derivative, a thousand scripts, and its memory use is pretty much the same or probably better than if a minimal ciforth had to load libraries for each script 20:59:15 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 21:00:07 as for ciforth's memory usage vs. isforth and other systems... I dunno. like I said I'm not as concerned about memory use. I'll take a look, eventually... but probably ciforth's memory usage is pretty small. since it doesn't mmap its block file like I might prefer :) 21:20:03 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:20:17 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:20:42 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 22:23:00 anyway 22:23:10 $5.95/year is pretty cheap 22:24:37 but free is even cheaper. so I put up (an HTML, scraped internet archive, despite the URLs) a copy at http://isforth.minimaltype.com/ . if mark wants this up, and if I see him around, I'll give him FTP access to the document root 22:27:43 if mark does not dislike github so, a github page would solve the problem ~ 22:29:02 yeah that's also free, but I think he does dislike github 22:29:57 dview: please let me know if you have the memory usage results of ciforth or others' 22:31:25 sure 22:32:26 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 23:06:55 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 23:22:44 --- quit: bjorkintosh (Quit: Leaving) 23:27:16 --- join: bjorkintosh (~bjork@ip68-13-224-81.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 23:37:18 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@85.133.140.132) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.04.12