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It wasn't as bad. 13:19:44 the causality of a standard lay in ineffectiveness 13:20:09 (personal meaning) 13:20:20 gabc: thanks! i was amazed how insanely painful the emulator was to load/restart. i abandoned all thought of it almost a year ago 13:21:05 :) 13:21:26 hmm, there are some Android images for QEmu out there, probably you should try these route 13:21:46 the "preferred" IDE (IntelliJ) is also a piece of crap compared to Eclipse 13:21:58 I *never* thought I'd pay Eclipse a compliment, either. 13:22:19 oh, I thought Eclipse is the 'state of the art' IDE for Andorid development 13:22:27 ^Android 13:22:35 that might work too. it's not just device/emulation that's slow. i just find it painful in every way. 13:22:41 At first we used Jdev at school. Which was.. well, let's say it wasn't great. 13:23:04 Mat4: some hipster at Google or somewhere decided Eclipse wasn't cool and now Android Studio + Gradle is the thing to use 13:23:18 *lol* 13:23:19 it just keeps getting slower and slower to work on this project 13:23:55 well, both IDE's are for sure very ressource inefficient 13:24:15 and i find myself less and less interested. trying to hang in there but really wishing i was back on server, or iphone, or pretty much anything but android 13:24:54 it amazes me when our interns don't see anything wrong with the IDE hogging a mother-loving gigabyte of RAM (or two) or more 13:25:39 it's not like they're doing anything spectacular that older IDEs didn't do (faster) 13:26:14 anyway, i'd better stop before i go into a "kids these days" rant - esp since i'm not old enough to say things like that :) 13:27:17 I think you can avoid to suffer using such IDE's and use a good text editor + ADK for development instead 13:28:31 i find java and all its type craziness better left to an IDE. never thought i'd say that either. 13:28:52 and i'd still be stuck waiting over 30 seconds (maybe closer to a minute) for gradle to build and deploy to the device 13:30:03 I understand this. However you are not limited to java as language. There exist alternatives, even some Forth systems run on top of the Java VM 13:30:03 it makes me unhappy. and stabby. and i escape into fantasies of how much fun, and how fast, my bare-metal x86 forth/os will be :) 13:30:54 yes, but not for this project. we have many hands roaming all around the project and depend on lots of APIs/libs and freely float around the project into all code 13:31:10 oh no 13:31:11 they'd stop suspecting, and know, i was a looney if i introduced something like that :) 13:36:58 I hope you will find the time soon to finish your jonesforth port 13:40:35 i'm in the middle of it. keep worrying i'm messing up memory references - the att/gcc syntax is weird to me 13:41:05 i'll probably ask for help in debugging - put it on github as a pre-post w/just the jonesforth part for people to eyeball and critique 13:41:15 hopefully that'll find any bugs i introduce 13:49:00 personally I found the integrated monitor of Bochs very useful for debugging 13:49:29 specially I can debug my kernel initialisation code 13:50:41 this way without requiring a real PC 13:51:42 Bochs even support future ISA extensions 13:52:56 take a look at it 13:57:03 will do. i haven't messed with bochs since, iirc, i tried colorforth :D 13:57:42 --- join: MrMobius_ (~MrMobius@50-195-233-75-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 13:57:44 using qemu now just bc it's pretty fast (and my mac doesn't have an 8042 - 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