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09:38:55 <great-cthulhu> anyone here use the forth over network jeff fox spoke about?
09:39:05 <great-cthulhu> such that you could make like clusters from forth?
09:39:10 <great-cthulhu> call procedures remotely?
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11:35:17 <DKordic``> proteusguy: Should we put [[http://www.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/forth/hopl.html][A Brief Introduction to Forth]] in topic?  
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12:56:08 <proteusguy> DKordic``, I have no objection. Love everything koopman has written.
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13:19:12 <tangentstorm> i didn't know his whole stack machine book was online.
13:19:23 <tangentstorm> http://users.ece.cmu.edu/~koopman/stack_computers/index.html
13:25:40 <xyh> tangentstorm: do you know how to do something like  "cat core.cn - | ./jonesforth"  on windows ?
13:36:29 <tangentstorm> i dunno. you could install bash, i guess? 
13:36:34 <tangentstorm> cygwin or mingw
13:36:46 <tangentstorm> i use the version of bash that comes with git.
13:37:06 <xyh> oh! I will try
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18:21:28 <yunfan> xyh there is a standalone zsh for windows which dont require cygwin or mingw enviroment
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18:23:51 <bluekelp> i doubt it. windows api is so different from posix/linux, even with the "posix compat layer" that it would be hard to port - let along maintain
18:24:19 <bluekelp> is there a reason you don't like/want cygwin? it's one of the first things i grab if i have to be on windows
18:29:35 <yunfan> bluekelp: yes, there's some reasone, but now i am using bobun which is great
18:31:29 <bluekelp> what is bobun? do you have a link?
18:33:18 <bluekelp> ah - babun? http://babun.github.io/
18:33:29 <yunfan> yes its babun
18:34:23 <bluekelp> babun features "pre-configured Cygwin with lots of addons" so i'm guessing you could put zsh on top of it too
18:34:28 <bluekelp> thanks for the ref - i'll check it out
18:35:43 <yunfan> bluekelp: nope, its just babun which configured a cygwin. and i use it for daily job
18:36:06 <yunfan> but for zsh.exe which i recommend to xyh, its part of the project "gnu for win32"
18:36:39 <yunfan> the project compiled many unix utils on win32 and each of them could run independly
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18:42:06 <bluekelp> oh - derp. i totally misunderstood yunfan's comment to xyh as a *question* -- asking if there was one
18:43:06 <bluekelp> sorry for the (apparent) contradiction - i thought you were asking if there was one that did not require cygwin - so i answered that. but i'm glad i found out about babun - it looks nicer than vanilla cygwin!
18:44:41 <yunfan> bluekelp: yes, the vanilla cygwin or mingw's setup are quite complex while babun just give me a one click to setup install script
18:45:24 <bluekelp> luckily i've been windows free since 2009 ;)
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18:46:25 <yunfan> well , i am remote working for my company, while they use qq for communication tool, which require windows
18:46:44 <yunfan> i personally like console linux
18:48:14 <atommann> yunfan, where are you? I am in Shenzhen.
18:49:11 <yunfan> atommann: my company is in beijing, and i live in huangshan , anhui province
18:49:46 <atommann> wow Huangshan, nice place with great view!
18:50:58 <yunfan> well, i was born there, the moutain is not a great view to me
18:51:46 <atommann> I've never been there.
18:51:56 * atommann is googling for the photos.
18:52:00 <yunfan> also the tourists rise the price level while dont increase our income
18:52:17 <yunfan> atommann: are you a chinese or foreignor?
18:52:19 <atommann> oh, I think that's true.
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18:52:42 <atommann> I am firstly a person, secondly a Chinese :)
18:53:09 <atommann> yunfan, we have a hacker/maker community in Shenzhen. see http://www.szdiy.org
18:53:35 <yunfan> atommann: ok, so you've been here because you like forth?
18:54:39 <atommann> a friend from #szdiy told me there are lots of people in #forth and talk about lots of hardware stuff.
18:54:49 <atommann> I am basically a hardware guy.
18:55:36 <atommann> Yesterday one of my engineer friend has a I2C problem and I want to use amforth to prove that the I2C works.
18:55:36 <yunfan> okay, i am a software guy and do like to know hardware :]
18:55:41 <atommann> But I failed :(
18:56:00 <bluekelp> there is also ##embedded
18:56:16 <yunfan> but forth are more elegand
18:56:27 <atommann> yunfan, Yesterday I was using http://amforth.sourceforge.net/
18:56:54 <yunfan> atommann: i used to have a RD leader who like avr series
18:57:06 <atommann> bluekelp, I am curious why some channels has two ##s?
18:57:15 <yunfan> but recently when i met him, he now turn to arm cortex series
18:57:24 <atommann> like ##electronics
18:57:35 <bluekelp> it's a freenode thing - iirc ## channels are are discussion not "projects" - but it's not always followed
18:57:37 <yunfan> atommann: that leader once made a hacked avr board and programming board for me
18:58:05 <bluekelp> it's a convention - there are no differences in channel type
18:59:07 <yunfan> atommann: do you guys interesting of indoor forming?
18:59:12 <yunfan> indoor farming
18:59:16 <atommann> yunfan, I like AVR very much. It's very cool.
18:59:43 <yunfan> atommann: but its expensive
18:59:46 <atommann> Yesterday I bought myself a STM32F4Discovery board and an OV9655 camera.
18:59:48 <yunfan> for me , i am a mips fans
19:00:13 <atommann> MIPS is also elegant!
19:00:28 <atommann> I learned some MIPS assembler before.
19:00:53 <atommann> PIC32 from Microchip use MIPS as the core.
19:01:26 <atommann> People ported BSD2.11 to it. called RetroBSD http://retrobsd.org/wiki/doku.php
19:01:31 <atommann> Which I want to try.
19:01:51 <atommann> yunfan, what is indoor forming?
19:02:04 <yunfan> if you like mips, and since you are in shenzhen, why not give junzheng a try
19:02:24 <yunfan> atommann: do farming indoor
19:02:31 <yunfan> atommann:  室内农场
19:02:40 <yunfan> atommann: try google "indoor farming"
19:02:58 <atommann> oh there is a project from GNU there are trying to make a free tablet based on Junzheng's MIPS.
19:03:00 <yunfan> also "vertical farm at sigapore" 
19:03:19 <yunfan> really? i've no idea of it
19:03:32 <atommann> I am growing some tomatoes at home :)
19:03:37 <atommann> and some herbs.
19:04:23 <atommann> BTW, I work for http://www.haxlr8r.com/
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19:05:56 <yunfan> atommann: also there's a Aquaponics community in shanghai
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19:26:35 <atommann> yunfan, I just googled "vertical farm at singapore", impressive!
19:27:28 <yunfan> atommann: yes, and i have thought the same concepts before
19:27:52 <yunfan> atommann: it would be very important in china i think, especially in those big city
19:28:19 <atommann> I agree with you. Think about the quality of the veggies.
19:29:00 <yunfan> atommann: that's right, and big city has many middle class who care about food
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19:31:48 <yunfan> here comes xyh ,
19:33:00 <xyh> ?
19:33:50 <yunfan> xyh: you have asked cygwin applications, i recoment you zsh for windows which is part of "gnu for windows"
19:34:18 <xyh> yunfan: thanks :)
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19:35:25 <yunfan> xyh: also where are you?
19:35:42 <xyh> Guang Zhou
19:35:47 <xyh> see this :: http://the-little-language-designer.github.io/cicada-nymph/course/contents.html
19:36:28 <xyh> yunfan: 我前幾周去深圳拜訪了 atommann 他們的創客空間
19:36:30 <yunfan> xyh: you just missed atomann who live in shenzheng
19:36:42 <yunfan> xyh: got it, its you invited him here
19:37:58 <xyh> how do you find of my course ? 
19:38:23 <yunfan> what?
19:44:50 <xyh> yunfan: the page above is a course I will be giving, how do you like it ? :)
19:47:34 <yunfan> xyh: looks like cool, i'd like to view it
19:48:01 <yunfan> xyh: also i recommend you jeforth.com , check it
19:51:06 <xyh> it is your project ?
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19:53:12 <yunfan> nope, its just interesting for me
19:53:25 <yunfan> i dont think forth should only be used at native level
19:55:23 <xyh> yunfan: that is a cool project too, anyway I wish you can contribute to my course when you have time :)
19:55:58 <yunfan> xyh: how to contribute to it?
19:57:06 <xyh> yunfan: to play with it, to extend it
19:57:17 <yunfan> https://github.com/yunfan/pyforth   xyh a very initial one inspired by jeforth
19:57:36 <yunfan> but now i am reading the book "programming from ground up" trying to learn jonesforth
19:58:05 <yunfan> i am always interesting of using forth in high performance server side services
19:59:44 <xyh> oh! I see. my course is also partly inspired by the jonesforth.
19:59:53 <xyh> I have to go to the class room now, to prepare for the course. :)
20:00:26 <yunfan> xyh: but i am lack of assembly knowledges, so i am keeping reading
20:00:34 <xyh> ok
20:00:36 <yunfan> xyh: ok
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