00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.03.07 00:03:16 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:34:21 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-137-54.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 01:01:49 yunfan, you can spend any amount you like to live in BKK but yes, it is pretty affordable. Also the SEAsia startup scene is now awash in money compared to the 3+ years prior. Those are generally our clients. 01:24:37 proteusguy: what's the average money would a typical geek live in thailand ? in USD 01:26:35 A local Thai geek or a "farang" foreign geek? :) 01:27:22 well what's the differences? 01:27:41 would foreign geek paid much more for vpn or other things? 01:28:39 or you might want to point the difference price between thailand food(for local geek) and other westen food? 01:28:59 since i am sourthen chinese, i dont see any reason that i cant accept thailand food 01:29:11 Just different expectations. Also most Thai's live with their family until they're married so don't have the same level of expenses as a foreigner. 01:29:51 then tell me the price of food, renting house, 10M network 01:30:21 i think that's what all i need, oh, plus power and water supply 01:31:12 My staff gets paid somewhere between 20,000 - 100,000 baht / month. That's about USD $615 - $3000 USD. Probably what's common is just over $1000. YOu can probably live comfortably as a foreigner for $1500 - $3000 per month. 01:33:54 proteusguy: that's too much , isnt it? 01:34:03 proteusguy: are you talking about the whole office? 01:35:02 my salary in china is just about 3k usd per month 01:37:22 That's per individual. We have ~32 people. Why do you say that's too much? What do you pay in rent and what's your place like? 01:39:22 proteusguy: i do remote work in my own house 01:39:59 but i have loan for that, its about 900+ USD per month 01:40:02 --- quit: markm_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01:40:19 proteusguy: and for 20Mbps network, its 35+ USD 01:40:29 for food, its 500+ USD 01:41:02 power and water are less than 100 USD 01:44:10 For my staff that don't live at home they typically pay THB 5,000 - 15,000/month for rent. Definitely their biggest expense. That's USD $150 - $460/month. These are typically single rooms and sometimes small condos. Once you get to THB 23,000+ you get stuff that's in a nice area that's absolutely something an American would feel comfortable with but you can easily spend THB70k+ if you like. 01:44:34 USD $900/month would be a nice place in Bangkok. 01:45:13 proteusguy: oh, you mean your staff get paid 3000 usd per month, not paid for renting and other stuff? 01:45:21 then that's same with me in china 01:46:09 My high end staff get that kind of money. People pay their own rent and such. 01:46:23 ok, got it 01:46:30 Your food expenses are about right for a westerner but high for a thai. 01:46:41 then do thailand allow foreigner to own private land? 01:46:58 No but you can own a condo in a building. Can't own the land under it, however. 01:48:07 i am eager to own a private land 01:48:14 Don't go to Thailand. 01:49:30 maybe i should try to migrate to au 02:27:14 Apparently Australia has made it a lot harder recently. However if you have a good tech skill set should still be able to make it. 03:50:46 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 03:51:21 --- quit: Zarutian (Remote host closed the connection) 04:53:40 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-197.prtc.net) joined #forth 05:27:29 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Ave atque vale) 06:04:46 --- quit: nottwo (Remote host closed the connection) 06:08:58 proteusguy: do you use forth at your company? 06:11:10 tangentstorm, we do not but I just did introduce a little web-based data stream processing RESTful app that happens to be implemented behind the scenes with a statically typed concatenative language which is obviously inspired by forth. 06:11:54 oh yeah. i think i remember you asking about that. what did you wind up using? 06:12:08 I've never knowingly been paid to write forth code. Technically I've never done a "real" forth app as I've always ended up implementing my own forth-like language direct to hardware starting with a 6809 forth-ish system that controlled our school's Hero-1 robot. 06:12:25 hrm. does *anyone* here currently use forth professionally? 06:13:02 tangentstorm, we coded up something ourselves in python that implements a transducer model. But it can be completely composed via JSON structures (ultimately via a HTML UI). 06:13:07 this? http://www.theoldrobots.com/hero1.html those are cute. 06:13:26 Cool! That's the one. Haven't seen a pic in ages. 06:13:33 Had 32K RAM as a I recalled. 06:13:55 what's a transducer model? 06:14:45 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 06:14:52 http://clojure.org/transducers 06:15:25 Kind of a composition of map/reduce as a first class object structure. 06:16:50 Earlier GElliot was talking about his Greenarrays 144 OpenGL project. That's legitimate paid work in forth. 06:17:10 oh nice. i guess i missed that. 06:18:55 true-grue, and him apparently used to work together at IntellaSys, one of Chuck Moore's prior companies. 06:19:50 (oh. i had heard of transducers but haven't really paid much attention before now.) 06:20:29 Nothing super innovative about them unless you happen to have a use case that particularly applies which, in our case, we do. 06:22:59 yeah they seemed like a new name for the same thing, but looking at it now, i think i get the idea: by treating them as objects, it's easier for a distributed system to migrate different parts of the pipeline to different workstations. 06:56:50 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 06:59:19 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 07:02:35 --- quit: dzho (Remote host closed the connection) 07:21:26 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 07:56:17 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 08:10:37 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 09:19:05 --- join: beretta (~beretta@cpe-65-185-42-203.columbus.res.rr.com) joined #forth 09:21:15 --- quit: Icf_lqOfi (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 09:25:38 --- quit: saml_ (Remote host closed the connection) 09:46:55 --- join: bedah (~bedah@g230212245.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined #forth 10:14:10 --- join: rcQhJpnme (~malyn@server.strangegizmo.com) joined #forth 10:16:27 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 10:21:08 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 10:37:29 --- quit: rcQhJpnme (Quit: Disconnecting from stoned server.) 10:37:52 --- join: markm_ (~markm@cpe-68-203-183-77.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 10:41:06 --- join: hsqKVNdwI (~malyn@server.strangegizmo.com) joined #forth 11:00:03 hi friends 11:00:08 any reviewers on this ? :: https://github.com/the-little-language-designer/cicada-nymph 11:09:38 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:29:22 --- join: dzho (~dzho@unaffiliated/dzho) joined #forth 11:30:34 never tried it before - first I've heard of it. 11:31:59 proteusguy: you have heard of it ? 11:32:07 seems to be fairly cleanly laid out but perhaps a bit over complex for what it's doing and, if it's for beginners, should probably describe how the interpreter works in some manner. 11:32:15 No - never heard of it until you posted the link. Is it yours? 11:32:29 yes 11:35:00 I'm guessing this is the bit where you describe how the interpreter works? https://github.com/the-little-language-designer/the-little-language-designer/blob/master/architecture/architecture.org 11:35:34 I will improve it, and I am willing to listen any criticisms. I will describe how the interpreter works in more docs. 11:36:33 is this your first time to build your own stack based interpreted language? 11:36:53 no, it is not. that "architecture.org" is a Chinese version of this :: https://vimeo.com/52144071 11:37:36 oic :) 11:40:34 proteusguy: no, it maybe counts the third one, (still more to learn, but anyway, I am sharing what I have learned with my friends now. 11:41:08 That's cool. Maybe you'll start a new coding revolution in China! 12:11:34 --- quit: hsqKVNdwI (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:11:49 * Zarutian dreads a forth written with Chinese pictograms/kanji. ;-) 12:11:52 --- join: PnxFwKWHA (~malyn@server.strangegizmo.com) joined #forth 12:15:55 --- quit: xyh (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12:22:29 Zarutian, that's how the matrix was built. ;) 12:23:19 lol 12:24:41 --- quit: beretta (Quit: Leaving) 12:29:50 --- quit: bedah (Remote host closed the connection) 12:36:09 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 12:36:33 <_spt_> hi folks 12:37:44 _spt_, howdy 12:41:09 h'lo 12:45:09 --- quit: fantazo (Quit: Verlassend) 12:46:10 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:03:37 --- join: xyh (~xyh@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 14:04:28 I will add a term in the LICENSE, to not allow my work be used in AI projects! 14:12:11 --- quit: PnxFwKWHA (Remote host closed the connection) 14:12:47 --- join: dUPNCdV`a (~malyn@server.strangegizmo.com) joined #forth 14:16:48 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 14:49:06 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 15:05:10 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 15:14:29 --- join: mPBF[fsSS (~malyn@server.strangegizmo.com) joined #forth 15:15:21 --- quit: dUPNCdV`a (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15:48:33 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 16:56:08 --- quit: _spt_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:57:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:12:36 --- quit: Backer (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 17:13:29 --- join: Backer (~backer@banjo.employees.org) joined #forth 17:35:18 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 17:41:48 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 18:47:28 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 19:03:11 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 19:54:42 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 21:00:21 --- quit: johnmark_ (Quit: Leaving) 22:01:55 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@85.133.140.132) joined #forth 22:15:01 --- quit: saml_ (Remote host closed the connection) 22:24:14 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-197.prtc.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.03.07