00:00:00 --- log: started forth/15.03.05 00:16:07 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:16:13 mornin 00:41:04 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 00:48:32 --- join: blandflakes_away (32a9ed08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.169.237.8) joined #forth 00:50:24 --- quit: blandflakes_away (Client Quit) 01:03:33 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@61.235.80.92) joined #forth 01:05:46 afternoon. :-) Quiznos in Thailand here. 01:06:11 Whereabouts in Florida are you? 02:13:48 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 02:26:06 what ? thailand? 02:27:41 --- quit: Quiznos (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 02:37:22 --- join: blandflakes_away (32a9ed08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.169.237.8) joined #forth 02:39:03 --- quit: blandflakes_away (Client Quit) 02:40:04 --- join: Keshl_ (~Purple@24.115.181.94.res-cmts.gld.ptd.net) joined #forth 02:42:45 --- quit: Keshl (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 02:44:29 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 02:51:36 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 03:00:45 yunfan, yes I live in Bangkok. 03:05:10 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 03:25:30 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.98.197) joined #forth 03:25:30 --- mode: ChanServ set +v proteusguy 03:26:20 proteusguy: why? 03:27:08 because it's a nice place to live? :) I have a company here. http://proteus-tech.com 03:27:18 heh 03:27:40 I used to live in BocaRaton when I did a contract for IBM in the early 90's. 03:28:00 no one who ever lived there really says "raton" 03:28:06 IMPOSTER!!! 03:28:09 bahaha 03:28:19 there's only one Boca! 03:28:24 the Nanny said so 03:28:25 haha well we do when talking to people who might now know this. 03:28:33 Which part of Florida are you in? 03:28:43 pff, you're talkin to the wrong ppl 03:28:45 lol 03:28:55 near peace r. 03:29:00 n. of it alil 03:29:08 WFL 03:29:14 ?!?!? 03:29:27 not ancrhonitistic? 03:29:37 north of peace river, swfl. 03:30:36 ah ok - friend of mine lives in Tampa. 03:31:06 k 03:53:33 --- join: blandflakes_away (32a9ed08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.169.237.8) joined #forth 03:54:04 --- nick: blandflakes_away -> blandflakes 04:16:21 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-27-179-244.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 04:18:29 --- quit: blandflakes (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 04:21:57 --- join: blandflakes (32a9ed08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.169.237.8) joined #forth 04:22:16 proteusguy: are you thailand native? 04:22:45 or just wrote firmware for those harddisk factory :] 04:28:21 yunfan, I'm from America originally. Lived here since 2006. If you click on the link for my company web page you'd see we aren't a harddrive factory. 04:41:35 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:46:18 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 04:48:54 --- quit: blandflakes (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 04:53:41 --- join: blandflakes (32a9ed08@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.169.237.8) joined #forth 04:59:39 poop 05:11:42 --- quit: blandflakes (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 05:31:10 --- join: me455 (~me455@2a00:1028:96d0:72:700f:4a5a:109c:1354) joined #forth 06:29:48 --- part: me455 left #forth 06:37:23 --- join: dys (~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:224:54ff:feee:c5a7) joined #forth 06:43:45 So an American living in Thailand meets a Canuckistani living in China while talking to a Chinese guy living in China. 06:43:55 "We don't serve your kind here," says the bartender. 06:51:39 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@188.159.16.144) joined #forth 06:59:26 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:03:39 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@14.153.27.183) joined #forth 07:16:21 --- quit: Quiznos (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 07:46:33 :) 07:53:37 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:56:03 --- quit: DKordic (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:56:30 --- join: DKordic (~user@178-221-102-238.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) joined #forth 08:02:16 --- quit: darkf (Quit: Leaving) 08:43:10 --- quit: bjorkintosh (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08:44:33 --- quit: Quiznos (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 08:53:40 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 09:06:27 --- join: bjorkintosh (~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 09:10:11 --- join: johnmark_ (~johnmark@c-73-51-235-57.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:24:53 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-85-5.prtc.net) joined #forth 10:48:06 --- join: GElliot (~GElliot@12.238.245.242) joined #forth 10:48:32 Looking for Forthers, anyone still alive in here? 10:50:31 Well, I'm picking up a new VR project based on the old Davka deGroot Metatopia, and am using Chuck Moores Green Arrays chip with 144 cores to build a highspeed/low power Forth Rendering Engine. Does anyone want to talk OpenGL equivalents? Anyone??? 11:03:11 --- join: bedah (~bedah@f053156255.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined #forth 11:21:40 --- join: JDat (~JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 11:22:48 I am not seeing any conversations in here, is everyone in orivate chat or something? 11:26:04 people eventually show up. 11:26:37 GElliot, what do you mean by OpenGL equivalents? You intend to implement OpenGL's capabilities? 11:28:02 proteus, yes I am doing a redesign/port with an OpelGl equivalant interface on a Forth native array processor. 11:28:40 GElliot, be interested in hearing how the Green Arrays works out for you. 11:29:16 I am looking for anyone who might have relevant experience with rendering in Forth or OpenGL. 11:30:16 I have worked with the processor (smaller version 24/40 cores) when I worked at Chuck Moores last company before Green Arraya, Intellasys. I designed bot a 5.1 surround system and a hearing aide with it. 11:30:50 pardon the typing :) 11:32:13 Working in native Forth is a very different experience. 11:33:07 Well, I'll keep my window open and see if anyone appears :) In the mean time I gots work to do... 11:34:27 cool - sounds fun. I've never done any high end host computing with forth. always been embedded stuff. 11:41:48 Well the idea here is to create a USB/external device that takes a stream of commands and does the processing/video directly. The specs on the chip are amazing. Imagine a processor with 144 cores, each burning 0.5mW and about a GHz each. This is whats needed to create unteathered VR :) So I guess you could say it's an embedded system. 11:51:31 OpenGL is all floating point. Does green arrays do floats? What's your computation model? 12:01:50 --- join: Mat4 (~claude@ip18861915.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) joined #forth 12:01:53 hello 12:03:04 There are a number of way of handling this, there are floating point words available, and then there's the scaled approach which I have used. Plus I have found Harts Computer Aproximations to be quite useful. I myself came up with a method of handling arbitrarily large artihmetic in the processor. 12:03:49 GElliot: Hey! I was working on Hearing Aid project in IntellaSys too :) 12:04:25 true-grue? Whats your real name? You no-doubt know who I am. :) 12:04:44 --- join: _spt_ (~jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 12:05:10 GElliot: Peter Sovietov. Sure, I remember you! :) 12:06:48 Oh, hey Peter, glad to see you again. Well, I'm up to my old tricks again, only this time I'm working on a rendering engine. Looking for people who might have resources, math libraries, OpenGl implemenmtatinos etc. or guidance regarding implementation of same. I'm redesigning the pipelining underlying OpenGl to work on Chucks chip. 12:07:14 GElliot: What arithmetic strategy have you choosen ? 12:08:44 Mat4, Haven't finalised that, just getting going with this and could use anything you might have available. The system has the basics, plus a few tricks of my own, and is an 18 bit system. 12:08:46 GElliot: I think it makes sense to use fixed point 3d engine implementation (double, 38-bit arithmetic). 12:08:53 36 12:10:25 36 naturally :) so sticking to the Babilonian base eh? LOL Could use a 32 bit encoding and keep the other 4 bits for pipeline or other control. That way the I/O can be compatible with current native systems. 12:10:27 GElliot: Interesting idea: dynamically reload the code for some cores depending on the current 3d pipeline configuration. 12:11:48 true- you got it, I think dynamic pipelining presents the best flexability. But it's more than that, I have put together a lot more ideas. Think 3D memory with local processing and opject driven local physics. 12:13:41 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12:13:57 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:15:52 GElliot: Do you have a project/task for this GA-based 3d processor? 12:17:17 Yes, I do. I am currently waiting for official plan and budget. But the company will only be buying/owning the content and limited tool set. The rest stays firmly in my psoession. As soo as the project is approved and budget in line I will be ordering GA-144 and dev boards. 12:18:32 if I remember correctly the GA144 features no memory controller. Because 3D graphics (beside procedural generated graphics) tend to be memory intense I'm sceptical about the possibility to drive fast memory access per software with this chip 12:21:25 Mat4, thats because you're thinking of a traditional configuration. In my case the memory and array processors are one in the same. An array of 144s provides the video memory and video device drive directly. So no I'm not doing traditional processing. 12:23:27 ah ok, so I guess routing is your main concern 12:25:28 Mat4, yes, that's of primary concern, but I have a scheme for that that should suffice, even at 1080p. You have to think true 3D with this one. arrays of processors stacked depth wise to cionstruct the pipeline, so each pixel bundle has it's own stream straight down to video management/storage layer. Does that give you a clearer picture? 12:26:16 yes 12:27:00 I think readed about such architecture before 12:28:05 You have to abandon all the traditional thinking here. Even the code is not statically resident in the processing cores, code gets routed around the system as well. IT was a paradigm I cam up with to allow audio filtering in the array with minimal memory usage for code in the cores thamselves. So in this beast, both code and data are streamed. 12:30:12 that's an interesting approach for sure 12:33:46 I hope you get some followers which can show usage for the GA144 12:51:36 Mat4, thanks, I think that once the device is complete and the performance spec can be published, given that it will have an OpenGL front end should allow it to garner some market share. 12:55:48 be aware that there exist a OpenGL follow-up API now. It's both more elementary and cleaner designed 12:56:08 Mat4 URL Please!!! 12:59:00 https://www.khronos.org/vulkan 12:59:20 Mat4, thanks a bunch! 13:00:21 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Ave atque vale) 13:05:00 have some work to do, ciao 13:05:16 --- quit: Mat4 (Quit: Verlassend) 13:05:55 Mat4, thanks, looking at SPIR-V , is that what you had in mind? 13:09:24 --- nick: Keshl_ -> Keshl 13:14:17 --- join: JDat` (~JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 13:14:32 --- quit: JDat (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:41:38 --- join: Zarutian (~Adium@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 14:01:12 --- quit: bedah (Quit: gn8) 14:08:37 --- join: gabriel_laddel (~user@unaffiliated/gabriel-laddel/x-9909917) joined #forth 14:15:59 --- quit: gabriel_laddel (Remote host closed the connection) 14:27:19 --- quit: JDat` (Quit: sleep) 15:28:08 --- join: MrMobius_ (~MrMobius@149.160.205.97) joined #forth 15:32:41 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:35:11 --- quit: MrMobius_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 15:35:17 --- join: MrMobius__ (~MrMobius@149.160.205.97) joined #forth 15:37:04 MrMobius: is such a two-dimensional caraccter. no depth at all! 15:37:07 lol 15:37:20 ? 15:37:41 i'm insulting your nick :) high levelly 15:38:01 mobius strip? geto it? 15:38:28 Forth is usually pretty dead. I guess I wasn't expecting to be insulted here :P 15:38:34 Its not like its ##electronics 15:38:45 that's bc it dad here at, 15:38:50 gotta kick up dirt 15:39:01 besides, your nick is easy to mess with 15:39:09 sure 15:39:10 wht happens there? 15:39:27 dad/dead 15:39:29 general off topic and childishness 15:39:40 ah that can happen anywhere 15:39:46 sure. its not a complaint 15:39:53 espeeshully where i am :) 15:39:57 heh 15:39:59 none taken 15:40:10 good clean phun 15:40:23 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-133.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:42:31 --- quit: _spt_ (Quit: gone to fix a server for Staffc CC) 15:45:56 are there any good forth jokes? other than ANS forth, of course ;) 15:46:09 duno any; 15:46:26 for me i make a convincing equivlence tween forth and lisp 15:46:37 maybe there's someth there? 15:54:35 "A word walks into a bar DUPs a cell?" <-- the perfect setup just waiting for the right punch line 15:54:53 heh, ok;... 15:55:07 how bout, 15:55:21 a word captures a number and puts it into a celll... 15:55:43 adn then compleetely flips its bits. 15:55:49 inverts? 15:56:05 new york city bishop leaves the bldg. 15:56:15 cardiac arrest, 82yo 16:06:00 --- quit: xyh (Remote host closed the connection) 16:20:27 --- quit: nighty-_ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 16:53:13 --- quit: bjorkintosh (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 16:56:41 --- quit: Quiznos (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 17:02:47 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Leaving.) 17:06:35 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 17:07:43 proteusguy: i hear that thailand have a low price level for living? 17:18:46 i tried getting my wife to go along with retiring to Thailand - but she isn't open to the idea 17:19:01 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:19:02 (and we're quite a way from retiring) 17:22:04 i was used to read an article that said thailand & malasiya has become the new place for startup 17:59:06 --- quit: Quiznos (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18:03:15 --- join: darkf (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 18:16:56 --- join: bjorkintosh (~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 18:28:19 --- join: saml_ (~saml@cpe-24-102-97-97.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 18:30:00 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 18:46:34 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:58:14 --- join: MrMobius_ (~MrMobius@149.160.205.97) joined #forth 18:59:01 --- quit: MrMobius__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:05:42 yunfan: Who paid for the article? (Hint: probably the Thai or Malaysian governments.:) 19:07:38 ttmrichter: nope, they are talking about the price level, factory and enviroment 19:07:53 And this is evidence that it wasn't a paid article? 19:07:57 ttmrichter: they treate these countries as the next china 19:08:09 Right. And this can STILL be a paid article. 19:08:17 i've no idea, maybe i should try to find the article 19:08:33 "I read it in an article" is meaningless. The press is notoriously lazy and/or corrupt. 19:09:11 Look at rags like "Electrical Engineering Times" and its ilk. They're basically paid advertisements masquerading as press. And as bad as the tech press is, business press is worse. 19:09:29 This is one of those areas you have to be ULTRA-cynical in if you don't want to get bitten. 19:10:32 well , i cant found the original article, since i read that in google reader, and it has been shutdown 19:15:43 ttmrichter: what network are you using at home ? 100M fiber? 19:18:04 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 19:25:02 Fiber? Are you nuts? 19:25:56 My first router connects via badly-made ethernet cable to whatever 1980s equipment my ISP uses. 19:26:08 Internally the first router connects to the second via 100baseT ether. 19:26:14 ttmrichter: i am using 20M fiber to building network at my home 19:26:19 ttmrichter: 199 per month 19:26:39 but huangshan is a small city, i was thought you might use a bigger one 19:26:50 It also connects to the rest of the rooms in the home via 300mbps powerline ether. 19:27:03 My upstream is about 3mpbs. 19:27:20 And even at that the service is so shitty for anything outside China that I rarely hit that limit. 19:37:01 --- quit: MrMobius_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:39:14 I've got cable that hits a cable modem in one building, hits a router, then travels a 600ft ethernet line to another building to hit another router 19:45:53 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:02:51 ttmrichter: yes , chinese network poor on upstream 20:03:01 and ISP often hijacks 20:23:04 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-87-197.prtc.net) joined #forth 20:45:42 --- join: lynx` (~lynx@46.21.154.83) joined #forth 20:46:30 --- quit: johnmark_ (Quit: Leaving) 21:27:41 --- join: darkf_ (~darkf___@unaffiliated/darkf) joined #forth 21:30:46 --- quit: darkf (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21:30:51 --- nick: darkf_ -> darkf 22:01:47 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 22:02:11 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@cpe-68-203-183-77.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 22:07:55 --- quit: saml_ (Remote host closed the connection) 22:30:51 --- join: rinkasu` (~lynx@46.21.154.83) joined #forth 22:31:26 --- quit: lynx` (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 22:31:37 --- nick: rinkasu` -> lynx` 23:12:38 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 23:13:57 --- join: karswell (~user@182.13.199.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 23:35:26 --- quit: mark4 (Quit: Leaving) 23:47:30 --- join: Quiznos (~x@c-73-28-150-83.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.03.05