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ChanServ set +v proteusguy 18:49:06 forth seems awesomely easy for most things ive tried 18:49:13 so oddly different from bash 18:49:28 i guess anything can be done with procedural algorithms 18:50:40 --- quit: carc (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18:51:38 --- quit: bluekelp (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 18:52:20 --- join: bluekelp (~bluekelp@2001:470:1:41:49ce:5f09:37df:4aaa) joined #forth 18:52:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +v bluekelp 19:00:35 --- join: carc (~carc@2001:41d0:52:cff::f85) joined #forth 19:00:35 --- quit: carc (Changing host) 19:00:35 --- join: carc (~carc@unaffiliated/carc) joined #forth 19:17:26 * tangentstorm wonders what a non-procedural algorithm might look like... 19:20:42 --- quit: impomatic (Remote host closed the connection) 19:52:03 haskel lisp stuff 19:53:19 smalltalk? 19:53:21 --- join: samrat (~samrat@123.236.183.195) joined #forth 19:53:23 message pasing 19:53:25 ! 19:53:28 i dunnno 19:53:31 im no wizard 19:55:28 erm, pretty sure those are still procedural in concept 19:55:45 sql is one example of non-procedural 19:56:12 and even that is still a little procedural 20:04:54 oh i see what you mean. 20:06:37 issue really is that computers are procedural at their core 20:10:03 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:12:05 really? 20:12:13 so its all illusion this functional stuff 20:12:24 erlang golang haskell lisp have some good concurrency 20:12:35 does forth do many things as the same time well? 20:13:26 concurrency! 20:15:35 the greenarrays folks seem to think so... :) 20:15:43 they have a chip with 144 forth processors on it. 20:16:14 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) 20:16:41 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@104.236.165.12) joined #forth 20:17:29 Vendan: In what way is Haskell procedural in concept? 20:21:52 --- quit: azathoth99 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 20:27:35 --- part: kumul left #forth 20:29:26 --- quit: irsol (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 20:31:25 --- join: irsol (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 20:38:15 remember, procedural/functional isn't a black and white 20:40:37 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: No route to host) 20:41:01 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@142-254-26-6.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) joined #forth 20:42:36 Of course. Nothing that deals with real hardware ever will be. 20:42:57 But I'm still confused at how Haskell is "procedural in concept". 20:43:08 Its declarative semantics are not even slightly procedural. 20:43:30 well, at the very least, it's not non-procedural 20:43:35 Its operational semantics are procedural only at a very, very, very deep location where they talk about what order computations will be effected. 20:44:02 It's as close to non-procedural as you can get on real current hardware. 20:44:14 The very nature of the real current hardware requires at some point a procedural definition. 20:44:30 But when you code in Haskell that procedural component of the operational semantics will rarely be encountered. 20:46:39 If you have a computation with many sub-computations, for example, you have no idea when any given sub-computation will occur except insofar as you know that dependencies will be computed first. 20:47:02 Which is true as well in, say, the lambda calculus (which *is* purely declarative). 20:47:46 The language's operational semantics strongly suggest lazy "on demand" computation, but it merely has to LOOK like this. 20:48:26 An implementation is free to break the lazy evaluation semantics (by, say, computing things in parallel even if not immediately needed simply because there's spare CPU cycles lying around). 21:07:29 --- quit: carc (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21:09:47 --- join: carc (~carc@unaffiliated/carc) joined #forth 21:10:35 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 21:13:10 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 21:20:34 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:40:02 --- quit: carc (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21:45:51 --- join: carc (~carc@unaffiliated/carc) joined #forth 21:50:29 --- join: samrat (~samrat@61.12.96.226) joined #forth 22:28:49 --- quit: MrMobius (Disconnected by services) 22:29:02 --- join: MrM0bius (~Joey@98.223.189.47) joined #forth 22:46:02 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/15.01.13