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Can't find them at all. 11:17:42 since they're so tiny, what about making them in an fpga? 11:17:46 an ... array of them. 11:17:50 is that possible? 11:18:12 there are files around for that - and greenarray has like 144 cores on a chip 11:18:19 right. 11:18:30 isn't that a good alternative? 11:18:51 I got enough trouble envisioning one core - I got NO IDEA how you'd code for 2, let alone 144 11:19:06 hmm. indeed. how does he do it? 11:19:17 I have no idea. 11:20:07 I figured that even a single one ofthe example-cores Koopman mentions - with the other periph of an mcu - would be fun, at the very least. And prolly very affordable. 11:20:36 what about a simulator? 11:20:54 does one exist for the 144 core machine? 11:20:56 I haven't looked for any, so let me know 11:21:02 certainly. 11:21:38 Chuck has gone off into such strange directions that I really can't follow along very far. 11:21:57 i bet that's been said ever since he started out. 11:22:39 Around the time he got crazy about colorforth, I was doomed. 11:35:12 bjorkintosh: hmm.. http://www.greenarraychips.com/home/documents/budget.html 11:35:21 that's not AWFUL 11:43:11 ttmrichter was trying to get a demo board w/a g144 on it but iirc greenarrays wasn't really responsive 11:43:48 really? that's depressing 11:44:14 i mean i think he was trying to buy a bunch of chips and have them put on demo boards - not trying to get the demo board they were offering; something like that 11:44:20 It's amusing that the chip is only like $20, but if you buy their eval-board they want like $450 11:44:27 ahhh 11:44:52 yeah - he was trying to get the eval board price down to like $35 or less perhaps 11:45:20 well, that link above indicates - if you can get parts - a total cost under $100 11:46:29 looks like they partnered with schmartboard - but i think you have to do your own soldering, make a power supply, provide peripheral support like USB (?) etc 11:46:46 yeah 11:47:16 from what I am seeing of their eval board, there ain't nuttin' justifying another 300+ investment there 11:47:36 yeah 0 if you read the "suggestions for a complete system" - bu the caveat is "we have not built one yet" 11:47:44 ahhh 11:48:20 well, I would STILL like a single-core stackmachine mcu - it cdan't be worse than the horrors of PIC 11:48:52 heh. maybe a FPGA demo board is your best bet. the old harris/etc chips are probably hard to get 11:49:30 bluekelp: I've been surfing for days - can't seem to find any ready to play - and the FPGA's are all fairly large devices. 11:50:51 ok, their eval board would have 3 ftdi chips, power reg, and two GA144 chips: host and target. So, yeah - $400+ is extreme 11:51:44 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 11:53:21 you can get a small one for about $80 11:53:35 google 'papillio one' ... it's about the size of an arduino 11:54:04 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@67.164.37.196) joined #forth 11:55:14 ok, looking 11:56:02 tangentstorm: oh, an fpga.. I thought you meant a stackmachine 11:56:03 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:57:54 Here's a video of a guy talking about a FORTH FPGA with an Arm cortex CPU on it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUGEdu75f9Q 12:01:43 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@67.164.37.196) joined #forth 12:02:32 papillio seems interesting. too bad it's a preorder. might be vaporware 12:13:12 eh?? no... i've had one sitting on my shelf for about a year and a half 12:17:30 --- quit: samrat (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:19:09 --- join: samrat (~samrat@123.236.183.195) joined #forth 12:20:45 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12:21:19 huh. i wonder why the page says preorder. maybe they have them but are waiting for enough orders to make another run 12:23:47 --- quit: samrat (Client Quit) 12:24:06 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~quassel@93-43-163-57.ip92.fastwebnet.it) joined #forth 12:33:03 --- join: impomatic_ (~digital_w@88.98.199.146.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 12:37:11 --- join: Quozl` (~quozl@owl.laptop.org) joined #forth 13:24:44 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 13:36:28 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@67.164.37.196) joined #forth 13:39:29 --- quit: nighty-_ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 13:46:24 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 14:03:58 --- quit: PoppaVic (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 14:04:38 --- quit: pgomes (Quit: Leaving) 14:51:58 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:01:23 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 15:12:52 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:36:41 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 15:47:02 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@67.164.37.196) joined #forth 15:51:34 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 16:09:10 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 16:34:44 --- join: PoppaVic (~pops@unaffiliated/poppavic) joined #forth 16:38:30 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 16:41:59 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:45:09 --- quit: nighty-_ (Remote host closed the connection) 16:45:15 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-217.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 16:54:09 recent i am interesting of finding a cheap chip that support usb3.0 otg , want to build a storange array 16:56:32 ugh 16:59:10 PoppaVic: what do you think? 17:00:20 --- part: xyh left #forth 17:05:49 yunfan: Pics, (no one I know worked with them); ARM, maybe.. Arduino? Nothing *I* have seen for usb or OTG makes much sense 17:07:17 PoppaVic: well i knew arm has some chip support that , but i need cheap one :] 17:09:02 arm and arduino are supposedly both cheap - PIC is cheap but I found my blower/burner refused to work with pic24's - which I'd love to sell off. 17:16:05 --- quit: saml_ (Quit: Leaving) 17:17:12 nope, i dont think arduino's frequecy is enought for a usb3.0 transfer 17:18:18 I dunno what to tell you - my possessions lack such a thing, and my experiences avoid coding such horrors 17:27:33 --- join: klltkr_ (~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr) joined #forth 17:29:29 --- quit: klltkr (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:50:29 --- quit: nisstyre (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 18:55:50 --- join: samrat (~samrat@123.236.183.195) joined #forth 19:00:45 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:09:02 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 19:28:00 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 19:52:03 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.208.35.89) joined #forth 19:56:09 --- join: Jhereg (~pops@unaffiliated/poppavic) joined #forth 19:56:30 --- quit: PoppaVic (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:56:33 --- nick: Jhereg -> PoppaVic 20:03:53 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 20:06:22 --- join: klltkr (~klltkr@unaffiliated/klltkr) joined #forth 20:07:46 --- join: irsol_ (~irsol@198.98.53.181) joined #forth 20:11:29 --- join: ttmrichter_ (~ttmrichte@178.62.72.109) joined #forth 20:11:32 --- quit: cataska (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:11:33 --- quit: irsol (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:11:33 --- quit: klltkr_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:11:34 --- quit: ttmrichter (Excess Flood) 20:11:55 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 20:12:05 --- nick: ttmrichter_ -> ttmrichter 20:16:53 --- quit: irsol_ (Changing host) 20:16:53 --- join: irsol_ (~irsol@unaffiliated/contempt) joined #forth 20:17:00 --- nick: irsol_ -> irsol 20:31:13 --- join: samrat (~samrat@123.236.183.195) joined #forth 20:31:38 --- join: cataska (~cataska@118-163-69-1.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 20:45:00 --- quit: xyh (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:46:55 yunfan: what exactly are you trying to do if you don't mind me asking? 20:46:59 not a lot of stuff truly needs USB 3.0 20:47:52 iirc, it's just a little faster 20:51:02 my mom's phone is USB 3.0 and the only difference is it has that screwball cable on it 20:51:17 I can't see why a phone of all things would need USB 3.0 except to be "cool" 20:51:32 DocPlatypus: as i said, i want to attach a usb3.0 harddisk for each board 20:51:56 ah 20:51:57 and making a distributed storage array 20:51:58 sorry missed that part 20:52:25 it wouldn't necessarily need to fill up USB 3.0 would it, then? 20:52:41 usb3 is still "faster" than the external drives 20:52:47 i have tested on my chromebook 20:52:50 it's a waste 20:52:53 which is arm inside 20:53:02 it could got a 180MB/s write speed 20:53:08 which i think is enought for me 20:54:01 i have searching for those existing storange array device , for 20T device , i need to pay 40-50k chinese yuan , which is about 7k - 8k USD 20:54:16 and 2k per 1T storage 20:54:47 but if i use a suitable board and a 1T usb3.0 harddisk, it could be just 1k per 1T storage 20:55:27 besides, i could do computing at the storage device side, which could very useful when you do some search from massive data 20:58:24 --- quit: samrat (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 21:02:13 --- quit: DKordic (Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)) 21:07:27 yunfan: http://www.digikey.com/en/articles/techzone/2013/feb/implementing-usb-30-in-mcu-and-microprocessorbased-systems and http://www.microchip.com/forums/m736365.aspx and http://www.edn.com/electronics-products/other/4369634/USB-3-0-controller-embeds-microcontroller-for-customized-applications 21:17:30 PoppaVic: i am worry about mcu as a usb3.0 board 21:18:07 --- quit: proteusguy (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21:18:08 yes, because there are none, or they won't do what you think you want 21:31:04 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-227.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 21:48:05 PoppaVic: what i talk about is some board like raspberrry pi 21:48:11 with rj45 port 21:48:23 also usb 3.0 otg is must 21:49:59 hahahahahaha 21:51:48 --- join: samrat (~samrat@61.12.96.226) joined #forth 21:57:55 problem is a lot of those USB drives are not designed for that kind of duty cycle 21:59:46 usb-envy is a sad thing. 22:08:36 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@li611-52.members.linode.com) joined #forth 22:10:04 DocPlatypus: at least my chromebook's arm chip could do that work well 22:11:45 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 22:51:25 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@173-228-101-241.dsl.static.fusionbroadband.com) joined #forth 22:56:06 Ugh. USB 3.0. 22:56:11 Never had a good moment with it. 23:35:03 ttmrichter: i think with usb3.0 suppport , those board could now became a real useful node 23:35:21 USB3.0 is not useful. 23:35:32 Not until it's actually well-supported instead of the crap that infests out there. 23:37:13 i have 2 devices with it supported , and works well 23:40:17 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:53:18 Count yourself lucky. 23:53:43 I have two different USB 3.0 hubs. Three different USB 3.0 external hard drive enclosures. A USB 3.0 flash stick. 23:53:44 something better *always* comes along. Always. 23:53:49 None of them work in USB 3.0 mode. 23:53:59 ttmrichter: and - yes, I was gonna' say that ;-) 23:54:09 If I use the USB 3.0 disks on a USB 3.0 port I get massive disk corruption. 23:54:22 I have to use the single USB 2.0 port I have to use my external drives. 23:54:32 "this laptop has one USB3 port" - whoopty - never can find it, can't tell the diff 23:54:35 Note: *THREE* drives. *ONE* port. 23:54:48 PoppaVic: I can tell the diff. The ones that fuck everything up are USB 3.0. 23:54:54 heh 23:55:06 The USB 3.0 stick isn't even VISIBLE when it's plugged into a USB 3.0 port. 23:55:07 maybe that's "the one" that never wants to work 23:55:15 It simply doesn't show up. 23:55:17 But ... 23:55:23 Plug it into a USB 2.0 port and it's perfect. 23:55:38 Or plug it into a USB 3.0 port through a USB 2.0 extension... 23:55:54 (But that trick doesn't work for the USB 3.0 disk drives.) 23:55:55 Like I said: something new will come along.. for all I know, optical cable will become affordable. 23:56:18 And some USB 2.0 devices work in USB 3.0 ports. Others don't. 23:56:30 ..it's like investing in a top-end turntable (whazza turntable?) 23:56:30 USB 3.0 is the biggest clusterfuck in the history of peripheral interfaces. 23:57:32 all I know is I looked into the USB bs-programming for pic & friends - I went cross-eyed and staggered away sadly. 23:58:37 Well the programming is the reason USB 3.0 is such a clusterfuck. 23:58:46 that said, the ftdi chips are just handy 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.11.26