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18:22:06 no 18:23:35 that's a shame 18:24:03 why, what's up? 18:24:41 i was going to ask some stupid questions about forth in general 18:25:20 such as : 18:26:53 colorForth - which seems to be the (only?) way to develop for the GA144 chip - unless i'm missing something about forth in general and how say colorForth varies from polyForth or etc 18:27:29 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 18:34:22 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18:36:17 They've removed the colorForth requirement. 18:37:58 From an email on the 4th of March: "As soon as we have time to do it, all of our software development tools will be moved to polyFORTH running on the chip. At that time we will have no further need for colorForth and so that system will no longer be supported." 18:39:20 Of course the fact that we're dealing with a company that things multiple-month turnaround times on commercial requests is a good idea means that "when we have time" probably means "after the heat death of the universe". 18:39:42 ttmrichter that's both interesting and depressing at the same time :D 18:41:01 Well, I'm pretty depressed at their lackadaisical approach to business. 18:41:18 i'm sort of torn - it seems like a perfect product for 'the internet of things' things. 18:41:24 care to elaborate? 18:41:54 It was heartening when I first approached them and got an eager response. Then I asked a couple of questions and dead silence for weeks. When I prompted I got a scolding about how busy they were with a project and how they'd get back to me in a week or so. 18:42:13 Several MONTHS later I get a brief email with a short apology for taking so long to get back to me. 18:42:24 innnteresting 18:42:33 By that point I'd cancelled the project however; I haven't even bothered replying to that email. 18:42:51 If that's their idea of engineering support, it ain't good enough. 18:42:52 --- join: gabriel-artigue (~gabriel-a@171.184.79.188.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined #forth 18:43:57 I'm just amazed by how powerful this short application is: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/mf-1.0a.fs -- I have a question: is this application using ncurses? Does Gforth support ncurses? Thank you in advance 18:44:01 just sort of seems like a neglected child 18:45:22 from a technical POV, it fullfills my reqs better than most things, but i get the heebie jeebies about betting the farm on a single player 18:47:44 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 18:52:22 --- join: protist (~javery@104.225.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 18:57:34 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 18:58:27 --- quit: gabriel-artigue (Quit: Lost terminal) 19:11:29 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 19:13:46 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 19:17:29 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 19:28:55 --- join: karswell` (~user@62.68.189.80.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 19:31:41 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 19:37:51 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:38:25 --- join: ttmrichter_xm (~ttmrichte@27.17.252.109) joined #forth 19:50:49 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 19:57:21 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 19:59:54 Anyone looking at RISC-V? 20:10:44 --- join: saml_ (~saml@pool-71-190-3-251.nycmny.east.verizon.net) joined #forth 20:40:43 I don't see much point in it 20:40:51 SPARC is already open, and has working compilers 20:41:37 SPARC's been around for a while, yeah? 20:43:17 yeah 20:43:20 since the 80s 20:43:40 it basically reminds me of that XKCD 20:43:41 SPARC seems much more complicated a beast, after looking at it. 20:43:56 http://xkcd.com/927/ 20:44:00 I mean, isn't there a big deal on if 64bit extensions are proprietary or not? 20:44:07 I'm not sure 20:44:17 I seriously question the need for 64-bit though 20:44:21 Seems like SPARC's licensing is a pain house. 20:44:29 (not a popular opinion to be sure) 20:44:30 anyway 20:44:39 if you don't like SPARC, there's also OpenRISC 20:44:46 which has a pretty decent implementation 20:44:48 that's GPL'd 20:45:14 It's good to question those sorts of things, I think. 21:43:48 --- quit: ttmrichter_xm (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21:55:21 --- join: ttmrichter_xm (~ttmrichte@113.57.182.161) joined #forth 22:29:13 --- join: ttmrichter__xm (~ttmrichte@27.17.252.109) joined #forth 22:31:30 --- quit: ttmrichter_xm (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22:45:25 --- quit: protist (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 23:02:39 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 23:41:12 --- quit: saml_ (Quit: Leaving) 23:46:58 diginet: While I like the idea of the RISC-V project, there are some issues in its implementation that bug me. 23:47:22 Writing any kind of math support for the RISC-V would be a decidedly non-trivial operation, for example. 23:49:44 On the other hand OpenRISC has the LGPL license. While not quite as off-putting as GPL proper, it's still somewhat of a barrier, IMO. 23:58:10 And OpenSPARC is even worse. It's full-blown GPL. Plus it's 64-bit which is overkill for a huge number of target areas. It's not really suited for anything other than server-grade machines. 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.10.11