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This feature is for both vendors not documentated 10:58:28 Slowly erasing the line between virtual and real machines. 11:01:55 --- join: beretta (~beretta@cpe-74-135-127-101.swo.res.rr.com) joined #forth 11:05:37 this interface is mainly used by Intel and AMD for bug fixes (and requires some additional RAM for the microcode at startup) 11:06:23 however implementing new instruction should be possible (within restrictions) 11:08:37 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@unaffiliated/elaforest) joined #forth 11:09:49 do what now? 11:10:04 you're talking about reprogramming the instruction set on an off-the-shelf pc? 11:10:34 Mat3: but how do you feel about unencoded instructions Novix 4016 style? 11:12:26 There fine 11:13:04 --- quit: IronTree9 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:16:16 only not very compact 11:17:03 works for that design as the datapath control signals arent that many 11:17:27 tangentstorm: This interface can be misused for that, yes (as written within some serious restrictions) 11:18:17 neat. 11:23:29 * Zarutian is reading through slides at http://www.ece.unm.edu/~jimp/vlsi/ on VLSI 11:27:25 * Zarutian notes that it is from around 1998 and that extreme ultraviolet litography has been in use for years now 11:29:38 but here is a thing. Silicon is a crystal right? 11:30:22 and crystals repeat (accidential or intentional) patterns when they grow 11:32:07 then why not use something like electron beam litography to make a template seed crystal then grow said crystal like they do nowdays 11:32:29 (upward extrusion from a vat of molten silicon iirc) 11:33:13 this would only work on the substrate layer though 11:34:34 but if likelyhood of doping can be altered with this technique then transistor feature size could be lowered 11:35:08 the problem is then with the metalic and insulation layers above. 11:35:40 just me spewing out some half baked idea 11:45:21 --- join: IronTree9 (~irontree9@c-76-120-0-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:46:18 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 11:57:19 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@089144213133.atnat0022.highway.a1.net) joined #forth 12:13:55 Zarutian: Have you ever seen solid Silicium ? It's amorph 12:25:32 --- quit: beretta (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12:36:18 --- quit: karswell` (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:39:58 --- join: karswell` (~user@87.114.35.172) joined #forth 13:49:23 --- quit: IronTree9 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13:52:39 --- quit: elaforest (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:57:19 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 13:57:49 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:58:10 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 14:02:09 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 14:10:45 --- quit: daowee (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:11:00 --- join: daowee (~daowee@m90-141-145-61.cust.tele2.se) joined #forth 14:16:58 --- quit: _spt_ (Quit: irc- et) 14:49:46 --- join: ehaliewicz (~user@50-0-50-37.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com) joined #forth 15:10:25 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:36:46 ciao 15:36:57 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 16:50:50 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@unaffiliated/elaforest) joined #forth 16:54:26 i've had this crazy idea for a while about using individual xmm registers as a mini-stack on intel machines, but i didn't know how to implement it. 16:55:17 but it think the PSHUFB instruction could be used to do all kinds of different stack operations. http://www.felixcloutier.com/x86/PSHUFB.html 16:58:35 the registers are 128 bits so you could use each one as a stack (or ring) of 8 16-bit values. 17:45:44 --- quit: elaforest (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 17:54:57 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@121.33.190.154) joined #forth 18:03:34 --- quit: no-doz (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 18:16:03 --- join: IronTree9 (~irontree9@c-76-120-0-183.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:27:39 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@unaffiliated/elaforest) joined #forth 18:50:19 --- quit: elaforest (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 18:56:13 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@23-91-153-151.cpe.pppoe.ca) joined #forth 18:56:16 --- quit: elaforest (Changing host) 18:56:16 --- join: elaforest (~elaforest@unaffiliated/elaforest) joined #forth 18:58:46 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 19:09:17 --- quit: xyh (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 19:29:44 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 20:21:03 --- quit: elaforest (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21:07:55 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.51.74) joined #forth 22:10:23 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@089144226049.atnat0035.highway.a1.net) joined #forth 22:45:38 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 23:09:57 --- quit: bluekelp (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:13:04 --- join: bluekelp (~bluekelp@2001:470:1:41:990:4e70:3d4:6290) joined #forth 23:13:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +v bluekelp 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.10.05