00:00:00 --- log: started forth/14.09.23 00:02:53 --- quit: mr-foobar (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 00:07:27 --- join: mr-foobar (~mucker@49.205.95.48) joined #forth 00:12:53 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 00:17:50 --- quit: cataska (Remote host closed the connection) 00:33:31 --- join: cataska (~cataska@118-163-69-1.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined #forth 00:38:02 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:38:47 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@180.183.41.101) joined #forth 01:13:33 --- quit: bbloom (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01:14:46 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 01:32:11 --- join: armour_ (~armour@190.113.107.133) joined #forth 01:34:34 --- join: bbloom (~bbloom@cpe-68-175-72-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 02:02:37 --- join: impomatic_ (~chatzilla@87.113.116.210) joined #forth 02:04:10 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 02:04:15 --- nick: impomatic_ -> impomatic 02:08:53 --- join: Mat3 (~Mat@91.65.76.247) joined #forth 02:08:57 hello 02:10:05 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@hokuriku.rural-networks.com) joined #forth 02:36:03 --- quit: ErhardtTheWhite (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:37:22 --- quit: Mat3 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 02:39:32 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~quassel@93-43-71-119.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined #forth 03:02:44 --- quit: mr-foobar (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 03:05:30 --- join: mr-foobar (~mucker@49.205.95.48) joined #forth 03:15:46 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 03:22:55 --- join: Mat3 (~Mat@91.65.76.247) joined #forth 03:29:14 --- quit: mr-foobar (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:55:42 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 04:30:55 --- join: karswell` (~user@87.112.211.95) joined #forth 05:01:53 --- join: mr-foobar (~mucker@49.206.63.113) joined #forth 05:37:25 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 05:38:04 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:38:24 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 05:38:42 --- quit: nighty^_ (Quit: leaving) 05:38:58 --- join: nighty^_ (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 06:07:56 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@121.33.190.146) joined #forth 06:14:47 bluekelp: about rPI, I think the ``2M+ binary blob'' is some closed source driver of GPU, please read this :: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=14044&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 06:15:45 I do not think you can get rid of it 06:21:16 I think ttmrichter knows more about dev boards, and he is right, I don't think rPi is so good for OSdev now 06:43:06 The RPi is terrible for bare metal development, yes. 06:43:41 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 06:50:13 --- quit: nighty^_ (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 06:53:21 I thought the 2M+ binary blob GPU driver werent needed now that Broadcom has openly released the specification of the GPU engine part of their chip. 06:59:37 --- join: nighty^_ (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 07:07:21 ``There are a number of peripherals which are intended to be controlled by the GPU. These are omitted from this datasheet. Accessing these peripherals from the ARM is not recommended.'' 07:08:14 I ll try to search the new release of the datasheet 07:15:29 --- part: xyh left #forth 07:21:39 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-201-130.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:23:41 --- join: true-grue (~grue@93-80-67-89.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 07:23:53 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:24:16 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-201-130.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:24:59 --- quit: proteusguy (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:25:33 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-201-130.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 07:33:22 --- quit: beretta (Quit: Leaving) 07:36:25 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 08:20:51 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08:27:37 --- quit: mr-foobar (Quit: Leaving...) 08:30:00 --- join: mr-foobar (~mucker@49.206.63.113) joined #forth 08:30:10 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 08:30:28 --- quit: pgomes (Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client) 08:39:22 Zarutian: Where did you hear they'd released the GPU specs? 08:43:10 ttmrichter: do you recommend any dev boards suit to bare metal developments ? open GPU ? 08:49:03 Well, I go for stuff suited to (proper) embedded systems (Cortex-M*, for example), not PCs with funky form factors. None of the chips I like have a GPU. :) (Although part of that is the stupid secrecy surrounding GPUs. They're almost as bad as FPGA vendors.) 08:50:40 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 08:53:32 --- quit: proteusguy (Remote host closed the connection) 08:53:59 --- quit: DGASAU (Remote host closed the connection) 08:56:39 --- join: DGASAU (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 09:02:43 ttmrichter: /. 09:03:35 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:03:41 ttmrichter: re FPGAs: I think the ones from ATMEL dont have that stupid secrecy around their bitstream formats. 09:04:58 Zarutian: I took a look at Atmel's kit. It's crippled (for me) by not fully supporting Linux (one presumes "yet"). 09:04:58 The tooling, I mean. 09:06:17 well ATMEL arent known to provide good software tools for their products but they do provide comprehensive specs and datasheets. 09:06:51 (iirc most things using their AVR chips are programmed via avrdude) 09:13:47 --- join: proteusguy (~proteusgu@ppp-110-168-229-56.revip5.asianet.co.th) joined #forth 09:19:34 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 09:31:20 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:39:07 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 10:09:04 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 10:27:13 --- join: kevinfish (~fish@2602:30a:2c92:c450:8c77:b710:f238:b180) joined #forth 10:27:45 is there a free forth that CURRENTLY runs on the msp430f5529 launchpad evaluation kit? 10:54:06 --- join: ehaliewicz (~user@c-67-188-3-109.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 11:02:34 --- quit: TodPunk (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 11:03:09 --- join: TodPunk (~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 11:05:50 --- join: true-grue_ (~grue@95-27-199-198.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 11:07:50 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11:10:18 --- join: true-grue (~grue@89-178-138-25.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 11:11:33 --- quit: true-grue_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 11:12:05 --- join: Mat3 (~Mat@91.65.76.247) joined #forth 11:15:28 --- join: true-grue_ (~grue@128-68-38-67.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 11:16:39 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 11:30:26 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 11:31:07 --- part: xyh left #forth 11:35:26 --- join: ErhardtTheWhite (~quassel@93-43-71-119.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined #forth 11:35:26 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:36:57 --- nick: ErhardtTheWhite -> ErhardtMundt 11:45:15 --- join: xyh (~xieyuheng@2001:250:3002:5550:6ea1:cc0f:bcb2:b187) joined #forth 11:47:14 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Remote host closed the connection) 11:56:17 i only wanted to mess with rpi bc i've had a hell of a time with thumb and other issues on the stm32 boards. haven't been able to get my forth to work there. i was hoping the rpi os would help me find and fix the issue(s) in mine but i haven't dug in yet 11:58:33 where is your project, is it open ? 11:59:45 as written before, The Raspberri PI includes an ARM11 core as part of an vector array SoC which also act as GPU 12:02:12 --- join: DKordic (~user@109-93-51-155.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) joined #forth 12:02:13 you will find all docs on the RPi web side. There exist also a team which disassembling the omnious GPU blob 12:03:16 Mat3, do you have your forth running on RPi ? 12:03:22 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12:03:45 wish to look and learn :) 12:04:26 no, I have no free time yet to start working on it 12:05:04 but it is on my todo-list 12:05:25 what I have done are some hacks for booting a stub 12:05:34 as test 12:11:05 the documentation for Broadcom's VideoCore GPU can be found here: http://www.broadcom.com/support/ 12:14:58 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 12:20:19 my forth isn't open yet. i'm still running into issues w/the interpreter loops - so i suspect an asm/chip issue 12:20:38 not an issue w/defective chip, just my defective knowledge of it and/or arm asm 12:21:05 i wanted to make "writing a small forth" a kata and practice it but the first one has taken much too long 12:27:42 --- part: xyh left #forth 12:28:02 bluekelp: do you now this thread: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=78414 12:29:09 I think it gives you enough information (well, you need study the now "open-sourced" GPU driver also) for building you own bootloader 12:30:31 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 12:31:24 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:31:25 --- join: ErhardtTheWhite (~quassel@93-43-71-119.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined #forth 12:32:13 thanks for the info, i'll check it out. really i'd like to get off the rpi bc it's too expensive, has no ADC, and isn't fulled spec-ed but was hoping it'd help me fix my own 12:32:59 i think if i went back to rpi for a project i'd do it in c/python under linux. and keep the stm32s for "real" embedded systems 12:35:53 I've found the PIC32 interesting 12:36:15 there even exist a BSD for it 12:42:16 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 12:47:10 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 12:51:27 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 13:03:39 --- quit: Zarutian (Remote host closed the connection) 13:03:53 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 13:04:09 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@168-110-22-46.fiber.hringdu.is) joined #forth 13:34:00 --- quit: armour_ (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 13:38:51 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 13:45:20 --- join: armour_ (~armour@130.113.26.186.static.intelnet.net.gt) joined #forth 13:58:29 is there a free forth that CURRENTLY runs on the msp430f5529 launchpad evaluation kit? 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