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I would goes through mine :) 11:22:07 vendu: with regard to minimal forths: http://pygmy.utoh.org/3ins4th.html 11:22:35 vendu: https://bitbucket.org/cicada-language 11:22:36 dzho, just a sec, on the phone :) 11:22:42 vendu: no rush 11:22:44 i'll check your links in a bit guys :) 11:22:57 I may wander away at any time :-) 11:23:20 dzho, me too =) 11:28:14 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 11:31:15 so what's up guys? off the phone :) 11:32:17 vendu: want to try you kernel :) 11:32:59 xyh, it doesn't do anything useful yet, but see kern/unit/ia32/README in the repo :) 11:33:22 http://www.amazon.com/Applications-Programming-ANSI-C-3rd/dp/0023611413 <- got this one, 0.50 euros, okay-condition second-hand :D 11:33:35 sometimes i find _mad_ deals on books and computer hardware :) 11:35:35 vendu: cicada is a forth-like language I have designed and implemented, but no much doc yet ... retro is another good forth-like language created by crc :: http://www.forthworks.com/retro 11:36:33 vendu: you may try retro first 11:43:15 vendu: and BTW, I like H.I.M. 11:44:29 xyh, for more good finnish rock, try kingston wall :) 11:44:36 a good song would be alt-land-is 11:44:42 check out youtube ;) 11:45:04 ok 11:45:06 * vendu placed a bid of 11 euros on advanced assembly language, second-hand copy :) 11:51:01 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~quassel@93.43.168.8) joined #forth 11:59:12 vendu: after using forth, you may wish to redesign you OS and never want to use C again :) 11:59:45 xyh, hehe 11:59:51 xyh, well, c is quite flexible 11:59:57 and it's been here forever 11:59:59 i like unix :) 12:00:11 not all of it, but lots of things attract me especially about old school unix :) 12:03:27 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12:04:15 I am a fans of ``The UNIX-HATERS Handbook'' 12:04:55 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.255.30.38) joined #forth 12:10:20 hello there 12:10:23 hey xyh 12:11:40 ErhardtMundt: hi :) 12:19:20 --- join: fantazo 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