00:00:00 --- log: started forth/14.06.10 00:32:10 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 00:38:21 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 01:47:10 --- join: foobar42 (de9a7669@gateway/web/freenode/ip.222.154.118.105) joined #forth 02:01:57 --- join: true-grue (~grue@95-25-98-143.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:39:15 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:43:55 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:39:01 --- join: DGASAU` (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 03:40:40 --- quit: DGASAU (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 03:40:42 --- nick: DGASAU` -> DGASAU 04:05:57 --- quit: crc (Read error: Network is unreachable) 04:06:16 --- join: crc (sid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aowmfxxfnepytiiz) joined #forth 04:39:05 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 04:44:09 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 04:51:14 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 04:54:13 --- quit: foobar42 (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 04:55:49 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Remote host closed the connection) 05:09:12 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 05:23:55 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 05:25:24 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:25:26 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 05:25:32 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.255.30.38) joined #forth 06:36:40 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 06:38:44 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 06:41:51 --- quit: Zarutian (Client Quit) 06:58:35 --- quit: goingretro (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07:14:44 --- join: goingretro (~kbmaniac@host86-157-30-139.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 07:19:13 --- quit: goingretro (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 07:51:06 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:11:50 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-85-62.prtc.net) joined #forth 09:31:59 --- join: MrMobius (~Joey@194.176.111.163) joined #forth 09:39:47 iirc the example of using the return stack in 'starting forth' is quadratics - though other than the words that manip the rstack for you, you'll run into major issues if your rs effect isn't ( -- ) 09:40:25 but hey, let someone figure that out the right way (by doing it) - the lesson will be learned 09:42:02 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-72-50-84-135.prtc.net) joined #forth 09:43:52 That's plain false. 09:45:42 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:46:47 you just have to be careful with it, is all. 09:47:43 It is at the same level of care as data stack where you have to carefully watch for balance as well to avoid problems. 09:47:56 i'm not saying there isn't a use - but be cautious, yes. 09:48:27 like all good tools, forth is sharp. if you're not careful and/or don't know what you're doing you can cut yourself easily 09:50:44 Except that good knife has a guard so that you don't cut your fingers off just because you have decided to hold it. 09:50:52 Other good tools have protections too. 09:53:10 Don't fear to use the return stack. Experiment with it. It's very useful not only for keeping the temporary values within word, but as a tool for creating of some powerful control-flow schemes. 09:54:56 Very limited in almost all cases and requiring the same bondage-and-discipline as usual, if you don't want your fingers cut off. 10:01:53 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:02:14 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:02:58 --- join: goingretro (~kbmaniac@host86-157-30-139.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 10:07:16 --- quit: goingretro (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:19:53 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 10:32:28 --- join: goingretro (~kbmaniac@host86-157-30-139.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 10:37:38 --- quit: goingretro (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 10:49:57 --- join: Mat3 (~Mat@91-64-127-6-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #forth 10:50:00 hello 10:54:01 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Remote host closed the connection) 10:54:55 --- join: goingretro (~kbmaniac@host86-157-30-139.range86-157.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 11:05:41 --- join: noneofmynickswor (~mool@adsl-72-50-86-190.prtc.net) joined #forth 11:09:57 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 11:16:54 --- quit: MrMobius (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12:08:57 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@37.60.66.89) joined #forth 12:12:17 --- quit: john_metcalf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:13:09 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@37.60.66.89) joined #forth 12:14:19 --- join: ehaliewicz (~user@50-0-50-2.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined #forth 12:22:59 --- join: Tod-Autojoined (~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 12:25:19 --- join: Tod-Autojoined2 (~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 12:25:24 --- quit: TodPunk (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:26:46 --- quit: Tod-Autojoined (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:30:45 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 12:31:04 --- quit: Tod-Autojoined2 (Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something.) 12:31:34 --- join: TodPunk (~Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 12:34:28 --- quit: DGASAU (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 12:41:34 --- join: DGASAU (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 13:26:57 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 13:35:23 --- quit: bbloom (*.net *.split) 13:35:24 --- quit: joneshf (*.net *.split) 13:36:05 --- join: bbloom (~bbloom@cpe-68-173-7-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 13:36:25 --- join: joneshf (~joneshf@98.255.30.38) joined #forth 13:39:20 --- join: karswell` (~user@87.112.34.104) joined #forth 13:43:26 ciao 13:43:33 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 13:56:27 --- quit: mnemnion (*.net *.split) 13:56:28 --- quit: karswell (*.net *.split) 13:56:28 --- quit: nop0x07bc (*.net *.split) 14:12:44 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:13:28 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 14:13:28 --- join: nop0x07bc (~pon1980@h107n8-aepv-d7.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined #forth 14:15:41 --- quit: nop0x07bc (Ping timeout: 267 seconds) 14:40:00 --- join: nop0x07bc (~pon1980@h107n8-aepv-d7.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined #forth 15:10:50 --- quit: klltkr[ORL] (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 15:33:10 --- join: ASau (~user@46.115.157.88) joined #forth 16:05:13 --- quit: pbunny (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 16:47:37 --- quit: PuercoPop (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 16:59:09 --- join: PuercoPop (PuercoPop@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:feae:c11b) joined #forth 17:22:42 --- nick: karswell` -> karswell 17:56:07 --- join: backer_ (~backer@user-387h3hl.cable.mindspring.com) joined #forth 17:59:05 --- quit: backer (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 18:46:24 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@98.255.30.38) joined #forth 18:57:16 --- join: bluekelp_ (~bluekelp@2001:470:1:41:747c:5b10:d2a3:2fe0) joined #forth 18:57:35 --- quit: bluekelp (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18:58:17 --- nick: bluekelp_ -> bluekelp 18:59:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +v bluekelp 20:45:33 --- quit: DGASAU (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 20:46:00 --- join: DGASAU` (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 21:42:37 --- quit: noneofmynickswor (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 21:57:59 --- quit: tangentstorm (Quit: bbl) 23:12:58 --- quit: nop0x07bc (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23:25:37 --- join: MrMobius (~Joey@194.176.111.175) joined #forth 23:40:02 --- join: nop0x07bc (~pon1980@h107n8-aepv-d7.ias.bredband.telia.com) joined #forth 23:43:27 --- join: protist (~protist@51.225.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.06.10