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08:38:56 <gp5st1> hello. in forth, if something in the program is encountered that isn't in the dictionary, it's just added to the stack right? that's why there isn't a "place the next token on the stack" command? or am I being dumb about something?
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09:11:53 <ttmrichter> gp5st1: If something isn't in the dictionary and isn't a number, your outer interpreter should print it and a ?.
09:12:01 <ttmrichter> booger booger? ok
09:12:11 <ttmrichter> (Or some variation of behaviour like that.)
09:12:15 <gp5st1> ttmrichter: seems straight forward enough:)
09:15:13 <gp5st1> I'm working on this: https://github.com/jimktrains/fcalc fwiw
09:15:32 <gp5st1> I originally wanted a programmable calculator for my phone, and thought 4th would work well for the task
09:20:06 <tangentstorm> your stack pictures seem kind of inconsistent, gp5st1 
09:20:11 <tangentstorm> at least in https://github.com/jimktrains/fcalc/blob/master/QUDR
09:20:28 <tangentstorm> or maybe QUDR C B A -- [root1 root2]
09:20:35 <tangentstorm> maybe that's not a stack picture.
09:22:06 <gp5st1> tangentstorm: it returns a vector-type of the answers, just to show how vectors can be sued
09:22:08 <gp5st1> used*
09:22:24 <gp5st1> as a real function I'd prob have it C B A -- root2 root1
09:22:29 <tangentstorm> no, i get it 
09:22:43 <gp5st1> ok:)
09:23:10 <gp5st1> or in light of that does it still seem wrong?
09:23:28 <tangentstorm> what i mean is in the comments you're saying a is on top of the stack... when you draw the signature, 'A' is on the right, but then in the comments, the 'A' moves to the left
09:23:44 <gp5st1> oh snap
09:23:45 <gp5st1> you're right
09:23:53 <gp5st1> the left is suppose to be the top of the stack, correct?
09:25:01 <tangentstorm> hrm. i've seen it drawn both ways
09:25:18 <tangentstorm> the dialect i'm most familiar with puts the TOS on the right
09:25:36 <tangentstorm> as does gforth:
09:25:38 <tangentstorm> QUDR C B A -- [root1 root2]
09:25:40 <tangentstorm> whoops
09:25:42 <tangentstorm> 1 2 3  ok
09:25:44 <tangentstorm> .s <3> 1 2 3  ok
09:25:46 <tangentstorm> dup  ok
09:25:48 <tangentstorm> .s <4> 1 2 3 3  ok
09:25:57 <gp5st1> ok, i'll swap that type signature
09:26:55 <gp5st1> thanks for catching that:)
09:27:30 <gp5st1> you're right, i think the TOS on the right is easier to read
09:28:20 <gp5st1> (and the type before the second mul is fixed now too)
09:28:38 <gp5st1> I've always dabbled a little in forth but never had a real good reason to use it
09:28:50 <tangentstorm> they're fun to make :)
09:29:00 <tangentstorm> wht's PM?
09:30:38 <gp5st1> PlusMinus
09:31:22 <tangentstorm> oh, of course :)
09:31:31 <tangentstorm> https://github.com/jimktrains/learn_to_code <- neat idea!
09:31:34 <gp5st1> i wasn't sure of a better name
09:32:12 <gp5st1> thanks! I'm unfortunately still stuck on the idea and how to "get it to work" in terms of story
09:34:55 <tangentstorm> dunno if you're interested but there is a really well made and really tiny java forth vm for android already.
09:35:41 <tangentstorm> it's more geared toward making games and doesn't do anything with the android SDK, but it might get you started.
09:35:43 <ttmrichter> Please don't say "Retro"...
09:35:50 <gp5st1> lol
09:35:51 <tangentstorm> no i was going to suggest mako
09:36:08 <gp5st1> what's retro and why do you hate it ttmrichter?
09:36:13 * tangentstorm loves retro but the android version isn't quite there yet.
09:36:20 <ttmrichter> What tangentstorm said.
09:36:29 <ttmrichter> The android version is god-awful to use.
09:36:34 <tangentstorm> https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/src/Mako.java
09:37:46 <gp5st1> i'll have to take a peak at it
09:37:52 <tangentstorm> er hrm.. i guesss https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/blob/master/src/MakoVM.java is the vm.
09:38:13 <tangentstorm> it's basically just a handful of 30 or so primitives pre-made.
09:38:35 <tangentstorm> but of course half the fun of forth is writing your own from scratch :)
09:39:43 <gp5st1> "everyone has their own forth" :)
09:40:35 <ttmrichter> Forth isn't a language.  It's an attitude.  :D
09:40:58 <gp5st1> it's also perfect for a calculator interface imho
09:42:01 <tangentstorm> RPN calculators used to be pretty popular. i wonder if they're still widely used anywhere.
09:42:20 * gp5st1 <3's his HP-35s
09:42:36 <ttmrichter> tangentstorm: Calculators in general have fallen on hard times.
09:42:44 <tangentstorm> that's true.
09:42:56 <ttmrichter> But last I heard, there was still a popular business calculator that was RPN.  An HP, but can't recall the number.
09:43:23 <gp5st1> i thought the 35s were engineering based, but I guess you could do business too
09:43:36 <ttmrichter> No, it wasn't the 35.
09:43:40 <gp5st1> hmm
09:44:10 <ttmrichter> HP 10.
09:44:11 * tangentstorm wonders if there's a market for a cheap android calculator.
09:44:26 <ttmrichter> HP 10b, to be precise.
09:44:45 <ttmrichter> tangentstorm: I've already got a scientific calculator app for my tablet.  :)
09:45:09 <gp5st1> i bought https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.nickfines.RealCalcPlus a few years back
09:45:12 <gp5st1> no regrets
09:45:21 <ttmrichter> RealCalc is the one I have.
09:45:24 <ttmrichter> Not the plus, though.
09:45:39 <gp5st1> i used it so much I figured I'd give the guy $4 :-p
09:45:54 <tangentstorm> no i mean like in the sense of a machine that sits on your desk and has buttons on it, separate from your computer or phone or whatever.
09:46:57 <ttmrichter> ... What would Android add to the experience?
09:47:42 <ttmrichter> Oh, wait.
09:47:44 <tangentstorm> graphing, general computation ability, etc...
09:47:54 <ttmrichter> The 10b is the student model.  HP-12C is the full model.
09:48:01 <ttmrichter> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-12C
09:48:18 <gp5st1> oh my. those guys are pricy iirc
09:48:18 <tangentstorm> my mom bought a camera and it has android on it ... no idea why you'd ever want to check email or play games on a camera, but they make it. :)
09:48:37 <gp5st1> tangentstorm: those are the ones that sync over wifi, right?
09:49:15 <tangentstorm> probably. i only saw it briefly.
09:49:31 <gp5st1> hmm, not as much as i thought
09:49:34 <gp5st1> $30 on ebay
09:49:53 <tangentstorm> "The HP-12C is HP's longest and best-selling product, in continual production since its introduction in 1981" !!
09:50:54 <gp5st1> when you got something good you got something good
09:52:04 <gp5st1> look at the 3rd picture
09:52:05 <gp5st1> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-12C-Financial-Calculator-In-Mint-Condition-Complete-with-Case-Manual-/371045112273?pt=Calculators&hash=item56640319d1
09:52:14 <gp5st1> zoom in on the text on the back panel
09:52:22 <gp5st1> it does friggin' date calcualtions!
09:53:13 <tangentstorm> huh
09:54:03 <gp5st1> the hp-12c...it does date arithmetic
09:56:46 <tangentstorm> oh sorry, that was a thoughtful, "well how about that?" kind of "huh". :)
09:56:53 <gp5st1> :)
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12:12:09 <gp5st1> i'm starting to think TOS being on the left makes more sense because that's how you'd enter it into the env, hmmm 
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13:09:54 <tangentstorm> do what now?
13:10:06 <tangentstorm> oh he's gone.
13:11:52 <_spt2_> evening
13:12:01 <tangentstorm> howdy
13:28:11 <impomatic> Hi :-)
13:29:06 <tangentstorm> what've you been up to, impomatic? core-warring? :)
13:30:08 <impomatic> Yes, tournament at the Centre for Computing History yesterday in Cambridge...  You might have noticed me spamming twitter with photos, etc.
13:30:54 <tangentstorm> ah, nope. i haven't been keeping up with twitter, i just remember you mentioning it in chat a few times.
13:30:57 <tangentstorm> how'd it go?
13:31:01 * tangentstorm hops on twitter
13:32:14 <impomatic> Plenty of interest from museum visitors :-) Hectic at times.
13:36:14 <tangentstorm> do you run the museum?
13:37:37 <impomatic> No, but that's sounds like a great idea.  They just allowed me to host the tournament there.
13:40:44 <impomatic> They're quite open to small groups organising events. (How about a Forthjam?)
13:45:24 <tangentstorm> sounds fun, but I personally would have a hard time making it over to the UK any time soon.
13:45:32 * tangentstorm is reading about redcode
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13:56:49 <impomatic> I'm writing a Forth in Redcode (I already did a simple on before).
13:57:37 <tangentstorm> like... a usable one? :)
13:59:00 <impomatic> Usable for things which only require terminal i/o
14:00:48 <tangentstorm> does redcode even have arithmetic?
14:02:10 <impomatic> Yes, limited to ADD SUB MUL DIV MOD
14:02:35 <impomatic> There's a '94 Redcode spec that added MUL DIV MOD
14:07:08 <impomatic> There's also an educational Redcode simulator that has terminal i/o.
14:49:13 <tangentstorm> hey impomatic ... ever seen this? http://www.amazon.com/Elementary-Learning-Program-Computer-Sherlock/dp/B002T6VZJI 
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15:15:34 <impomatic> tangentstorm: I've seen it on Amazon before and I'm tempted to pick up a copy if I see one cheap.  There's also one on Basic and another that's probably just an intro to computers.
15:18:34 <tangentstorm> dunno anything about it, other than it seemed up your alley.
15:19:44 <tangentstorm> there was a guy in here earlier talking about a project and i found it while poking around his github account. i guess he's working on writing something similar for python. 
15:19:50 <tangentstorm> but now i want the pascal one. :)
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