00:00:00 --- log: started forth/14.05.10 00:20:38 --- quit: Zag (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 00:24:23 --- join: Zag (~Zag@modemcable009.239-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined #forth 00:39:02 --- join: kulp_ (~kulp@kulp.ch) joined #forth 00:43:29 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00:44:05 --- quit: kulp (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 00:44:05 --- nick: kulp_ -> kulp 00:44:35 --- nick: kulp -> Guest32291 01:20:46 --- quit: dys (*.net *.split) 01:31:42 --- join: dys (~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:21a:4dff:fe4e:273a) joined #forth 01:36:42 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 01:48:14 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 02:07:37 --- quit: asie (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:08:31 tangentstorm: He's trying to do a mutually recursive algorithm without recursion. 02:25:52 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@128-68-206-72.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:27:12 yeah 02:27:56 --- quit: dys (*.net *.split) 02:38:35 --- join: dys 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(~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:21a:4dff:fe4e:273a) joined #forth 13:12:16 --- quit: dys (*.net *.split) 13:28:32 --- join: dys (~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:21a:4dff:fe4e:273a) joined #forth 13:36:39 hmmm what opinons do people here have on the J1 fpga core? 14:01:40 dont know anything about it :) 14:03:30 basicly it is an freakishly small cpu that has instructions that map nicely from Forth 14:03:33 I think that implementing of yet another simple Forth processor in FPGA is a good student project :) 14:03:45 :) 14:04:10 i would agree, its a good academic exercise but i dont it has any marketableness :) 14:04:13 kinda like isforth :) 14:04:38 i dont know how to do fpga stuff 14:04:44 thats hardware not software :P 14:05:06 as far as I can tell the J1 uses unencoded instruction, concurrent ALU which function selection only selects which output to send to T 14:05:37 It is software. But you need to know something about digital design to program FPGA. 14:06:14 so the ALU can be done with calculating all its functions with current T and N as inputs before the instruction is even known 14:06:33 mark4: A good book for starters http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Design-Computer-Architecture-Edition/dp/0123944244 14:07:01 true-grue, my mind cant think hardware other than "that chip needs to wiggle bits in a certain way and i need to write code to make it do so" 14:07:36 if you're not implementing your algorithm in hardware, you're not done optimising it 14:07:51 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14:08:34 i never optimize my code, only my algorithms. well i do code opt for fun :P 14:08:35 sometimes 14:08:37 mark4: Then look at GreenArrays or XMOS. These chips are like FPGA for "normal" programmers :) 14:08:47 * Zarutian is currently but slowly writing an combinational boolean circuit based on the J1 (memory elements are just dedicated input/output lines) for Secure Multi Party Computation purposes. 14:09:06 true-grue, problem with that is i think color forth and such are as much NOT forth as ANS forth is 14:09:10 true-grue: I heard about the GreenArrays but not XMOS. Got link for the latter? 14:09:27 http://www.xmos.com/ 14:09:44 right now im developing forth code for android using an NDK version of my arm/Linux forth :P 14:09:57 somewhat modified as it needed to be indirect threaded not sub threaded :/ 14:10:14 but i have a working forth compiler now that can compile forth code for android 14:10:29 and which can do JNI stuff back into java 14:10:43 java can use jni to call forth. forth can use jni to call java 14:14:50 true-grue: intresting 14:15:49 are they forth chips? 14:16:29 Zarutian: VERY interesting! But, seems, they are a way ahead of the time... 14:17:34 mark4: No. They are programmed by Occam-C dialect. 14:17:45 oh. screw that :P 14:18:01 i heared somewhere that intel spent billions trying to develop a processor that was microcoded in c 14:18:02 Okay :) 14:21:03 true-grue: wait a second XMOS rings a bell. Wasnt that the corporation that made/bought the Transputer? 14:22:30 Zarutian: No a corporation. The guy called David May. http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~dave/ 14:23:04 Not a 14:30:10 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 14:34:33 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:44:26 --- quit: aksatac (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:47:54 --- join: aksatac (uid12717@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xdzsyfcszkswksra) joined #forth 15:07:57 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 15:22:30 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 15:35:17 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-72-50-85-212.prtc.net) joined #forth 16:14:51 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 16:52:38 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-72-50-84-11.prtc.net) joined #forth 16:55:59 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 17:01:49 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:17:29 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 19:47:05 --- quit: mnemnion (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:47:30 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 20:46:39 xmos, eh? 20:49:30 neat 21:07:46 --- quit: saml_ (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 21:09:09 --- quit: kumool (Quit: Leaving) 22:00:56 --- join: danfinch (~danfinch@69.59.125.205) joined #forth 23:56:01 --- quit: nop0x07bc (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.05.10