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11:55:19 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 12:18:47 --- quit: bbloom (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 12:21:49 i would expect any limits to be quite large but don't think so 12:22:27 aren't the segments just indicated by offsets in the elf header? i'm guessing fasm itself is running out of memory generating space internally for all the bytes 12:22:32 --- join: Mat3 (~Mat@91-64-127-6-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #forth 12:22:38 hi all 12:22:55 (in memory) sounds like a poor impl for that specific use case 12:23:00 Mat3: howdy 12:23:23 --- join: dkcl (~user@unaffiliated/dandersen) joined #forth 12:24:20 hello bluekelp 12:25:12 --- join: bbloom (~bbloom@cpe-68-173-7-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 12:25:32 --- quit: dandersen (Read error: Operation timed out) 12:25:40 I've got a forth running on an avr atmega32u4, but I'm really tight on RAM. the code I want to run is only 50 lines ATM, but I can only load a quarter or so of it before I run out of space. thinking about ditching it for arm, but I'm wondering how feasible of an idea it is to run forth with 2.5kb of ram in the first place. 12:25:57 bluekelp: but it is ``rb'' not ``db'', fasm running out of memory by this ? 12:26:28 all the forths I've seen on avr use flash instead of just ram, which I'm not to keen on, but maybe that's the only way it's actually practical? 12:31:11 technomancy: in POL, Moore say: ``Let me warn you now that I'll be talking about programs that will fit comfortably in 4K words of core.'' 12:32:47 xyh: I wish I had 4K =( 12:34:04 the harvard architecture is very annoying to work with since it assumes program space can be read-only, leaving it with *very* limited ram 12:35:51 technomancy: 4K of 16-bit words for Moore. 12:37:34 --- join: karswell (~user@148.197.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 12:38:08 well, that makes me feel better about ditching the atmega then at least 12:40:27 just wish I had realized that before buying a couple extras 12:44:08 technomancy: http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/moving1.htm 12:44:17 technomancy: Brad Rodriguez said : ``You can expect the usual 16-bit Forth kernel (see below) to occupy about 8K bytes of program space. For a full kernel that can compile Forth definitions, you should allow a minimum of 1K byte of RAM.'' 12:45:51 maybe this is possible, but it's probably not a good idea for a first project to someone new to both forth and C =) 12:47:42 my day job is working with a 45-node cluster of servers with 32GB each =) 12:49:17 technomancy: maybe there should be a forth-memory-optimization-award for the one who do this 12:49:17 technomancy: considered asm? 12:49:51 bstates: briefly. all the learning materials I could find for avr assembly were awful though 12:49:52 if you're not implementing it in hardware, it's not optimised yet 12:50:10 all assuming you were using the windows "avr studio" toolchain and gunk 12:51:02 gordonjcp: I respect that; I'd just rather get it working first, then optimize later =) 12:51:14 aw bugger 12:51:29 I just realised I've been replaying a GPS track into some software I'm writing, at 100x normal speed 12:51:50 instead of it relaying position updates to my test server, it's relaying them to a public global server 12:52:33 --- quit: DGASAU (Remote host closed the connection) 12:52:42 this is not Forth-related, unless you can work out a dictionary for calculating how long the wheel bearings of a Mercedes Vito will last at 6000mph 12:55:15 --- join: DGASAU (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 12:56:20 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@cpe-68-203-183-77.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 12:57:34 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:57:37 --- join: _spt_ (~Jaat@host-92-12-218-212.as43234.net) joined #forth 12:57:37 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 12:57:38 --- join: _spt_ (~Jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 12:58:41 http://bpaste.net/show/225233/ <-- can someone tell me how to fix this emerge of freecad? 12:59:07 --- join: karswell (~user@148.197.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 13:04:37 ugh that was supposed to be in #gentoo lol. 13:06:43 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 13:19:17 --- join: karswell` (~user@148.197.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 13:19:29 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:21:24 --- quit: mark4 (Quit: Leaving) 13:41:26 --- quit: DGASAU (Remote host closed the connection) 13:45:30 --- join: DGASAU (~user@p50993595.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 13:48:16 ciao 13:48:24 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 13:53:45 Mat3: are you Chinese ? 13:54:40 Mat3: ``ciao'' in Chinese means ``f*ck''. 13:54:53 I am reading this: 13:54:53 <> -- Andrew W. Appel 13:54:53 crazy !!!! 14:04:57 xyh: ciao is also portuguese (and italian?) for "goodbye" 14:06:37 <_spt_> "cya duck" is goodbye in potteries (staffordshire UK) 14:08:58 ``freeing a heap cell by garbage collection is cheaper (if there is enough memory) than popping a stack.'' --Andrew W. Appel 14:10:50 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:14:17 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 14:15:39 bluekelp: MY GOD!! i just google-translates italian ``ciao'', It sounds exactly the same as the dirty word in Chinese ... 14:16:40 hey all 14:17:51 tangentstorm: hi! you woke up, hehe 14:18:43 hiya tangentstorm 14:20:12 xyh: hehe :) 14:32:33 * tangentstorm keeps odd hours. 14:33:59 irc covers all the time zones 15:20:38 --- quit: TodPunk (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 15:23:41 --- part: xyh left #forth 15:27:32 --- quit: nighty-_ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:36:29 --- join: TodPunk (Tod@50-198-177-186-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 15:38:14 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Quit: Leaving) 15:47:28 --- quit: dkcl (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:56:27 --- quit: _spt_ (Quit: gone) 16:11:18 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 17:31:25 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 18:38:06 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 19:23:54 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@cpe-68-203-183-77.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 20:45:09 --- join: karswell (~user@146.200.197.42) joined #forth 21:25:51 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 22:30:00 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 22:33:23 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 22:50:01 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 22:53:08 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 23:04:55 --- join: pvt_pete_ (~pvt_petey@cpc11-colc6-2-0-cust131.7-4.cable.virginm.net) joined #forth 23:05:19 --- quit: pvt_petey (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23:11:42 --- join: egp_ (~egp_@164.215.89.135) joined #forth 23:15:15 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:16:05 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 23:22:06 --- join: karswell` (~user@239.99.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 23:22:06 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:31:42 --- quit: karswell` (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:32:08 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 23:58:47 --- join: asie (~textual@apn-5-60-14-228.dynamic.gprs.plus.pl) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.04.22