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(Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 09:38:57 --- join: dkcl (~Dan@unaffiliated/dandersen) joined #forth 09:42:44 --- join: true-grue_ (~quassel@95-27-147-240.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 09:44:54 --- join: true-grue__ (~quassel@176.14.154.154) joined #forth 09:45:08 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 09:46:26 has anyone written some editor-side hacks to take regular forth from disk and render it as color forth? 09:47:06 --- quit: true-grue_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:47:34 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-26-46-12.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 09:47:36 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 09:49:36 --- quit: true-grue__ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:52:06 hrm. i wrote a very clunky syntax highligher for retro. i think translating from forth -> colorforth might be a little tricky. haven't thought it through though. 09:52:49 --- join: true-grue_ (~quassel@95-26-46-12.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 09:53:06 (i realize syntax highlighting isn't the same thing) 09:53:22 right; you have to actually elide some tokens 09:54:20 yeah but you'd also have to track STATE to figure out which color to emit. 09:54:54 oh right, because ; doesn't indicate the end of the word any more 09:55:01 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:55:03 yeah, that messes things up 09:55:40 it would be easy to design something colorforth-like that maintains perfect backwards compatibility in text, but I suppose colorforth itself is not it 09:55:44 yeah, and the dictionary works in a different way, but i can't quite put it into words yet. 09:56:29 makes you wonder if it would have taken off better if it had worked that way 09:57:04 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-25-118-173.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 09:57:19 moore doesn't seem concerned much with backwards compatibility and legacy, but then at the same time he acts surprised that ideas like this haven't gotten wide acceptance =) 09:57:28 i suspect the /biggest/ obstactle was the keyboard / ui ... it's not terrible but it's quite a leap 09:57:33 (based on the few interviews I've read, maybe this is a mischaracterization) 09:59:01 i seem to recall seeing a dialect somewhere that used an ascii prefix notation to indicate what colors indicate in colorforth. 09:59:07 --- join: true-grue__ (~quassel@95-27-218-109.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 09:59:11 --- quit: true-grue_ (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:59:31 right; you have to store the colors on disk *somehow* 09:59:43 why not use the same notation everyone has been using for years? 09:59:56 and just change the way it's displayed to the user? 10:01:35 dunno. i know with the early versions of colorforth he was experimenting with "sourceless programming"... which i guess means editing the blocks directly as binary objects or something? 10:01:41 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:02:06 --- join: true-grue 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