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quit: bbloom (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:54:27 --- join: kumool (~mool@adsl-64-237-225-117.prtc.net) joined #forth 17:54:49 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:56:02 http://www.scribd.com/doc/212732047/Untitled?secret_password=tdsvrimvut8x31rssyy#full 17:56:16 life as a forth interpreter. 18:47:39 --- quit: pvt_petey () 19:17:55 so have you ever tried an chorded keyboard for programming? 19:21:56 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 19:32:07 nope. have you? 19:50:16 I have a keyboard that has most of the punctuation chorded, but not the alphanumerics 19:50:26 turns out to be great for writing forth; so little punctuation 19:57:24 nope i want to got one 19:57:51 technomancy: so what about the typing wpm? 20:00:28 yunfan: all the letter keys are unshifted, so it doesn't really affect typing speed for chats or emails. 20:01:05 measuring typing speed for programming is difficult. I probably haven't gotten fully accustomed to it yet since it's not my main board; I only use it when traveling or away from my desk 20:01:16 http://technomancy.us/173 if you're curious 20:01:36 currently working on writing a forth for it so I can write my own firmware for it 20:02:11 well i got remote work last year, and i have full dev environ installed on my phone 20:02:19 the only problem is the input issues 20:02:45 they are not that comvenient for programming 20:03:21 --- join: bbloom (~bbloom@cpe-68-173-7-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 20:04:02 yeah, mobile input is a disaster 20:04:26 well looks like your keyboard is cool, but not what i demand 20:05:33 yeah, true chording is different 20:05:37 i need an single hand chord keyboard , and it should be able to wearable, in case i could programming everywhere, no need to find a table or other desk like space 20:05:53 this project might be more what you need http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/onehand-20-keyboard-t6617-120.html 20:06:17 but i think your design could suit for pad device :] 20:06:21 I still think we'll need direct neural input before anything will come close to the productivity of a real physical keyboard 20:06:44 like my 10" android pad with a retina screen 20:06:57 which also have a full dev environment 20:07:32 oh, agree with you, neural input is a dream from i was a child 20:07:39 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 20:08:16 no matter how fast your input speed is, it can never follow your mind when you have the Inspiration 20:09:56 technomancy: i think you could make your keyboard as a foldable one, so people could fold it and take it in pocket 20:31:06 yunfan: yeah, that's another direction you could take it. I wanted a one piece board specifically so I could use it easily in my lap, so I had a pretty specific intention in mind. 20:34:18 i wish i have learnt hardware stuff :[ 20:45:42 and here are my keyboards https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5N8DKkqdN03V3V4bjJXeGNTR3JNV2dGX2s1UlBLbWFad2Y0/edit?usp=sharing 21:08:33 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 21:29:58 yunfan: Where are you buying chording keyboards? 21:30:43 Oh, never mind. 21:30:48 I didn't see the picture before asking. 21:35:21 ttmrichter: maybe we should go to shenzhen and asking people making that 21:35:21 Why Shenzhen? I could get them made a single 20-minute bus ride away from here. 21:36:16 yeah, keyboard manufacture is not as difficult as it looks 21:37:15 I designed and built mine after putting together an ergodox and doing a few weeks of research on geekhack.org 21:42:20 yunfan: also might be worth checking out http://www.frogpad2.com/ 21:50:34 crazy expensive for that size though 21:52:28 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.178.153.7) joined #forth 21:52:55 technomancy: Chording keyboards would be even less expensive. 21:53:05 The hard part would be writing the firmware to make use of it properly. 21:53:07 ttmrichter: *should* be =) 21:53:39 Five buttons vs. 104 buttons. 21:53:42 Seems a bit of a no-brainer. :D 21:54:12 well, if the 104 buttons use rubber-dome junk switches, it could be close 21:54:46 yes frogpad is crazy expensive and even not learnable as your 35USD one technomancy 21:54:59 --- quit: djinni (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 21:55:13 oh, mine was 100USD 21:55:18 what? 21:55:32 though that was for a one-off; at scale it would be dramatically less 21:56:01 i was think if people could make 5 finger ring 21:56:04 oh, 35 for the onehand? that one wasn't my design 21:56:10 and wear it on your hand 21:56:32 and use different combination for exressing the key 21:56:46 if you don't have springs in the mechanism, it's not going to feel very nice 21:56:54 since chord keyboard is only like an 5 bit binary system 21:57:25 while using the finger ring, you could express more than 4 value in 1 bit 21:57:41 the microwriter uses 6 bits: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwriter 21:58:45 the point is your finger can express more than 2 status 21:58:52 sure 21:58:58 and you cant grow more fingers 21:59:16 toe keys though! =D 22:00:00 that could be use for meta keys like alt/ctrl/esc when you are using emacs/vi 22:00:44 --- join: djinni (~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com) joined #forth 22:15:12 --- join: noneofmynickswor (~mool@adsl-207-204-135-252.prtc.net) joined #forth 22:16:36 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 22:18:52 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23:22:22 --- quit: noneofmynickswor (Quit: Leaving) 23:56:31 --- quit: dzho (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:57:35 --- join: dzho (~dzho@unaffiliated/dzho) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.03.16