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Off to lunch. ;) 12:36:58 --- join: ASau (~user@46.115.48.210) joined #forth 12:41:50 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 12:42:24 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:46:35 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:48:51 --- join: szgyg (~szgyg@62-165-198-186.pool.digikabel.hu) joined #forth 12:51:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 12:52:48 ciao 12:52:58 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 12:54:30 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 13:00:04 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 13:00:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:04:35 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 13:10:38 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:30:32 Back 13:31:26 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:31:45 kc5tja: evening 13:32:40 Stuck at work, doing work-related things. For work! 13:33:24 haha 13:33:28 half nine here 13:33:37 contemplating what sort of beer I should have 13:34:06 The only beer I'll drink is rootbeer. Well, and birch-beer, but the latter is very rare here. 13:35:00 don't know if you can get either of those here, without them being horrible sugary things 13:36:13 Well, they are colas, so they'll be sugary. The key is to not drink them all the time. 13:36:26 I usually drink just plain water, and occasionally some kind of tea. 13:36:29 yeah, I don't like sugary chemically drinks 13:37:19 Home-made rootbeer isn't chemically. It's actually quite good. Barq's, A&W, etc., stay away from those like the plague. Go for the more home-style drinks instead. 13:37:25 yeah 13:37:50 I don't know how people can drink diet soft drinks 13:38:00 weird metallic tasting gunk, whatever it is 13:40:16 well 13:40:24 I wouldn't much like to be Mark Karpeles right now 13:40:37 Ahh, the artificial sweetener. 13:40:46 I wonder if anyone has written a cryptocoin algorithm in Forth 13:40:50 Haven't heard the latest on Mark. 13:40:59 forthcoin 13:41:03 we should do this ;-) 13:41:04 Obfuscated Forth is its own cryptocoin. ;) 13:41:09 gordonjcp: +1 13:41:27 wonder how hard it is to set up a cryptocoin, can't be that hard if doges can do it ;-) 13:41:48 Should our marketing be based on "to Pluto and beyond"? :) 13:43:04 :-) 13:47:29 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 13:48:04 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 13:52:36 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 269 seconds) 14:00:42 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@128.120.119.98) joined #forth 14:01:42 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:07:15 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 14:12:48 --- quit: szgyg () 14:19:28 --- join: nisstyre (yourstruly@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 14:31:00 kc5! 14:31:17 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 14:31:44 Hey there. 14:32:38 ported isforth to arm linux, then ported that to android NDK library lol 14:32:42 the latter is almost working now 14:33:24 bought another rx8 too, this one is all mine but is a fixer upper, need some minor cosmetic surgery is all tho 14:33:29 if i get work thats not a problem 14:35:55 but i have all but abandoned ever supporting any debian based distributions 14:36:02 1: they dont honro the FHS 14:36:13 2: they dont support the PAX extensions to the kernel 14:36:24 well they SORT of do if you apply the grsecurity patches 14:36:26 YOURSELF 14:36:52 that latter == a damned good reason to never even consider any debian distributions even for a HOME system 14:38:11 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3) 14:38:38 --- join: nisstyre (~yourstrul@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 14:41:15 Lucky. I can't have an RX-8. :( 14:41:41 y not? 14:41:53 i find it a little strange that you're so hung up on standards about linux, but you seem to not like the ansi standand for forth... ? 14:42:03 Fiance doesn't think it's a practical vehicle. 14:42:20 kc5 tell her its a 4 door family sports car! 14:42:25 *snicker* 14:42:35 No joking, that's what it is. 14:42:36 and also the safest handling vehicle on the road imho 14:42:42 But she doesn't like the car. 14:43:09 bonk hr on the head after ur married and say look what i bought when you wernt looking honey1 14:43:20 thatll learn her! 14:43:27 I have a Mazda 3 which is surprisingly nice handling car. I wouldn't expect it to be as agile as it is. It's no rotary, but it's no Nissan either. Nicely in between the two extremes. 14:43:37 no thats a damned good car 14:43:48 tho i would have considered a 6 first 14:43:59 I wanted the hatchback to carry cargo. 14:44:02 i like mazda cars 14:44:19 i like mazda R&D/engineering 14:45:28 tangentstorm: To be fair, ANSI Forth is a pretty poor standard as standards go. Not very well factored at all, normative where it shouldn't be (which creates a lot of problems for the forth200x standardization effort; vis. the issue behind EKEY and its silly return value), and is very hastily produced with no thought for future applications and evolution. 14:46:06 mark4: Yep yep. Except for a Tesla sedan, I wouldn't drive anything else. Problem is, Teslas are $60K out of my price range. So Mazda it is. 14:46:07 and the idea for doing it was flawed from the getgo 14:46:23 ok 14:46:26 yea im not a fan of the teslas 14:46:54 so FHS and PAX don't have those problems? i honestly don't know what they are 14:47:07 portability is a complete and utter myth. show me ANY portable ans forth and ill show u code chock full of conditional compilation for the 4 or 5 versions of ans it supports 14:47:19 mark4: A friend and I are going to be working on a heavy-weight Forth implementation intended to be a next-gen FIG-Forth. We recognize ANSI where it makes sense to, and abandon it elsewhere. The hard requirement is that ANSI conformance is attainable with a single require statement though: INCLUDE" ansi.fs" or some such. 14:47:20 not quite as bad as "portable c" but still BAD 14:47:38 isforth isnt THAT far off ans compliance 14:47:56 i simply wont define limp wristed dumb bullshit words like "invert" 14:47:59 mark4: We're taking the same approach as Python and Go -- where the standard is set by engaging the community, and not through a rote system of prescriptive rules. :) 14:48:11 ok my bad, nm. 14:48:25 tangentstorm, its a religious thing with me 14:48:35 im about the single most anti ans forther there is 14:48:48 ok :) 14:48:52 if i read C sources within a few minutes all i can see is 14:48:54 blah blah 14:48:56 blah 14:48:58 blah blah blah 14:49:00 blah 14:49:04 in get the same from ans forth 14:49:05 i just don't know what FHS or PAX is 14:49:15 filesystem heirachy standard 14:49:22 pax is a security enhancement to the kernel 14:49:44 oh 14:49:57 and binutils needs to be pax aware 14:50:13 so they can add a PAX program header to the elf executables 14:50:37 mark4: Kestrel's Forth is slowly taking shape too. Based on eForth. 14:51:30 cool tho i consider the isforth kernel to be better implemented/organized than eforth 14:52:00 tho ive made improvements there in my android ndk lib version that need to be ported in to the arm proper and x86 versions 14:52:11 mark4: I kind of struggle with the concept of "fixer-upper RX8" 14:52:19 they still seem a bit too new to be a "fixer-upper" ;-) 14:52:46 the car was in a wreck, not badly damaged really but still written off so its got a rebuilt title 14:53:04 ah, okay 14:53:05 the passenger visor has split apart (common problem) and needs to be fixed or replaced 14:53:27 I picked up a suspiciously cheap Range Rover, expecting it to be 50/50 between the usual V8 chocolate camshaft or a dropped cylinder liner 14:53:38 turns out to be the latter, so it's getting a replacement engine at the weekend 14:53:59 range rovers are the ORIGINAL suv 14:54:00 and then it's off to make up some new plumbing for the Citroën 14:54:17 not a 2cv i hope :) 14:54:19 although I'd love it if I could find where all the bloody oil is going 14:54:28 no, they have hardly any plumbing 14:54:33 brake pipes, that's about it 14:54:56 the 2cv's suspension was about 30 years ahead of any ohter make of car in its day 14:54:57 I've got a couple of CXes 14:55:09 mark4: so was the engine, it was aircraft technology 14:55:28 the prototype 2CV engine had things like a tubular camshaft and crankshaft and magnesium crankcase 14:55:49 I bet overheating the engine was a popular pasttime with that car. :) 14:55:50 that got, uh, "cost-reduced" into more conventional parts come time to put it into production 14:56:00 there are cartoons showing the skeletons of dead land rovers by the side of the road while grandma drives her 2cv to market in the african planes :P 14:56:03 kc5tja: they're just about impossible to overheat 14:56:04 very reliable car 14:56:20 gordonjcp: Where there is Magnesium, there is a way. ;) 14:56:23 just fugly as hell lol 14:56:27 kc5tja: the largest engine was 602cc and about 32bhp but that was continuously rated 14:56:41 mark4: yah, 'cos the US has such a good record in that regard 14:56:50 true story lol 14:56:53 name *one* good-looking American car that isn't a 1967 Mustang 14:57:14 the american car industry was producing nothing but complete and utter trash till they had to compete with the japanese 14:57:19 to be fair, the Mustang in general cuts you a hell of a lot of slack 14:57:27 no such thin as a 67 mustang 14:57:38 ford produce the mustanges for 2 years only. 65 and 66 14:57:39 I would say the Chrysler 300M back when the car was shaped like a bubble and actaully had real aerodynamics, but I'm not sure if Chrysler was owned by Daimler at that time or not. 14:57:49 after that they produced a different car but gave it the same name 14:58:07 mark4: interesting, didn't know that 14:58:14 thats my take on it 14:58:19 hah 14:58:41 http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/rangie.jpg 15:00:41 and http://gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/cxes.jpg the CXes looking rather Ballardian 15:01:51 they have amazing handling 15:02:21 they won't beat an RX8 in a standing quarter mile, but I'd easily beat you over 400 ;-) 15:03:11 rx8 can beat a 400hp porche on any real racetrack 15:03:22 the porche will pull away like crazy on the straight aways 15:03:40 but the 8 will take the corners about 4 times faster and the porche wont be able to lose it 15:03:59 Porsches suck though 15:04:10 the engine is at the wrong end, they've got five reverses and one forward gear 15:04:30 lol 15:04:55 the the modern vw beetle which is a bonefide pile of trash 15:05:06 looks like its in reverse no matter which way its going 15:05:24 mark4: if you want interesting handling, look up Citroën Xantia Activa 15:05:38 mark4: there are the usual four hydraulic rams in place of the spring and shock absorber 15:05:53 *but* there's also a ram in each anti-roll bar linkage 15:06:07 when the ECU detects the car rolling in a corner, it jacks it level 15:06:41 rx8 dsc does the same 15:06:52 but the difference is the 8 has equal weight on all 4 wheels 15:08:46 http://www.citroenet.org.uk/miscellaneous/hydraulics/hydraulics-2.html 15:09:00 excuse the hideous flashing animated gif, ghod knows what they were thinking there 15:09:26 my mothr had one of those when we lived in madagasgar 15:09:28 when i was 3 15:09:28 look at the third pic of the DS 15:09:39 look how much sidewall deflection there is ;-) 15:09:50 it's practically pushed over to the rims 15:10:59 kc5 do u have a raspi? 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