00:00:00 --- log: started forth/14.01.27 00:52:35 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 01:03:26 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 01:08:50 --- quit: asie (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 01:10:09 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 01:19:40 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:36:15 Mat3: morning 01:48:08 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 01:50:09 --- join: ASau (~user@p54AFF70F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 02:10:25 --- join: Eth|cal (~sam@139.216.253.31) joined #forth 02:14:38 hello gordonjcp 02:16:28 --- quit: itsy (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 02:35:13 --- quit: kludge` (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02:38:28 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 02:57:38 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 02:57:59 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 03:11:12 ciao 03:11:16 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 03:19:57 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 03:37:19 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 03:53:09 --- quit: john_metcalf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:53:27 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@87.115.158.25) joined #forth 04:03:46 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 04:22:09 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 04:45:36 --- quit: Zarutian (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:02:47 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 05:24:06 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 05:24:29 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 05:24:33 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 05:35:51 --- quit: dys (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 05:36:42 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:46:37 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-173-228-245-186.prtc.net) joined #forth 06:35:03 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:38:53 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@93-80-109-30.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 06:39:26 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 07:17:35 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 07:36:22 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 07:38:20 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 07:41:54 --- join: ASau (~user@p54AFF70F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 08:03:43 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 08:08:49 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 08:22:00 --- join: werebutt (~buttbutt@46.165.251.66) joined #forth 08:22:01 --- part: werebutt left #forth 08:29:22 --- join: Mat3 (~claude@91-64-103-24-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #forth 08:35:07 --- nick: Mat3 -> Mat3-bbl 08:39:36 --- quit: bbloom (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) 08:40:20 --- join: bbloom (~bbloom@cpe-68-173-7-82.nyc.res.rr.com) joined #forth 08:43:03 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 08:43:11 --- join: scott0070 (~scott@c-76-18-190-252.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:09:06 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:28:46 moin 09:29:19 * kraehe wonders: is there a classical forth development environment for Linux? 09:29:32 lets explain, what I call classical dev environment: 09:30:09 Forth starts as a fairly minimal kernel, next one needs to paste the block system 09:31:17 kraehe: jonesforth maybe? 09:31:29 doesn't everyone just roll their own Forth? 09:31:57 once block system is running, one can load editor, and has shadow pages for documentation, and I want file,byte descriptors in the forth header like in an F83 09:32:21 now one loads the asm and target compiler 09:32:43 the target compiler uses block IO to create a new forth kernel ... <- chain closed 09:33:19 --- quit: scott0070 (Quit: Leaving) 09:33:49 gordonjcp, !no! you start with a well known set - and try to implement at least one of the many standards ;-) 09:34:23 btw, have not done real forth development for ages ;-( 09:37:55 retro has an editor at least. cant say about anything else 09:38:12 but forth was fun, and VolX4th was a nice dev environment 09:39:12 especially on larger screens like atari provided 09:40:30 kraehe: standards are great, which is why everyone has one 09:40:37 ;-) 09:40:46 * gordonjcp is hacking on Forth on 6809 09:41:28 VolX4th was off, at several points: starting as a real time forth for C64 to make music and provide a 'GUI' 09:41:49 http://gordonjcp.github.io/miragetools/ 09:41:59 ^ quite nerdy 09:42:32 ported to Atari at a time, when Atari still shipped CP/M68k Bootloader ROMs - so we ignored all GEM or TOS, because there was none at the time of the port 09:43:54 so we had an RL 4th with RT GUI on Atari - making music - dont know how many old Atari's still run Steinberg ;-) 09:44:21 but forth rocks - and placed its marks lots of music! 09:44:46 I just got rid of my Atari Mega ST with Cubase 09:44:54 it's gone to an Atari enthusiast 09:58:50 --- join: msmith (~msmit297@23.31.147.162) joined #forth 10:02:23 hi all. quick quesition... I have written a forth but have undoubtedly handled strings incorrectly. Can some please explain where strings go? what I mean is, words and numbers go on the stack. for most implementations ." and " are words. is everything between those two words placed on the stack and then processed or is there another way this gets done? 10:03:50 I haven't read anything, including in starting forth about how this is done. In my implementation, I process the string first then add it to the stack to be gobbled up as a parameter for some word 10:06:40 msmith: typically you'd put them in the pad 10:09:50 gordonjcp: I had completely missed the concept of the pad. Just read up on it. thanks 10:11:04 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@128.120.117.179) joined #forth 10:11:49 gordonjcp: other than it not being technically correct, can you see any problems with the way I have done it? 10:16:11 msmith: I don't really know enough about it to comment 10:16:25 so do you stack each character of your string? 10:18:27 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 10:18:46 right now, I turn the characters into a string and place that on the stack. I had thought of stacking each character 10:19:08 it's in a high level language so I can stack "real" string 10:38:47 --- join: ncv (~quassel@79.118.10.10) joined #forth 10:38:47 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 10:38:47 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 11:05:26 --- join: aranhoide (~aranhoide@129.Red-81-35-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #forth 11:52:00 --- part: msmith left #forth 11:56:43 --- join: bjorkintosh (~bjork@ip68-13-229-200.ok.ok.cox.net) joined #forth 12:01:03 --- nick: Mat3-bbl -> Mat3 12:16:34 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote host closed the connection) 12:39:03 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:23:18 --- join: itsy (~digital_w@87.115.158.25) joined #forth 13:28:06 --- quit: aranhoide (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 13:37:55 ciao 13:38:02 --- quit: Mat3 (Quit: Verlassend) 14:33:57 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 15:44:23 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:48:52 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 15:50:28 --- join: Tod-Autojoined (~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 15:50:52 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15:50:52 --- quit: TodPunk (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15:51:08 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 15:58:44 --- join: ASau` (~user@p5083D1F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 16:02:19 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:57:47 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:09:07 --- nick: Tod-Autojoined -> TodPunk 17:53:58 --- join: pvt_petey (~pvt_petey@82-69-79-20.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) joined #forth 17:55:58 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 18:01:06 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 18:07:38 --- quit: pvt_petey (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 18:38:56 --- quit: goingretro (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 18:47:38 --- join: aranhoide (~aranhoide@129.Red-81-35-23.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined #forth 18:48:02 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 19:25:10 --- part: CopingWithBliss left #forth 19:31:31 --- join: goingretro (~kbmaniac@host109-155-33-173.range109-155.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 20:43:11 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 21:13:20 --- quit: kumul (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 21:26:21 --- quit: aranhoide (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 22:24:17 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@c-98-208-36-36.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:59:45 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-28-210-152.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 23:23:28 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:43:19 --- join: karswell (~user@87.114.158.60) joined #forth 23:58:36 --- join: asie (~textual@078088168214.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/14.01.27