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18:42:23 yebb, but the address decoder is part of the console 18:43:01 no more than 4096 16bit words I think 18:43:27 are you talking about making the rom chips themselves out of aluminum foil?? :) 18:43:48 I am talking about using layers of cunningly cut paper and aluminum foil 18:44:05 glued together of course 18:45:07 aren't there switches in a ROM? like... transistors? 18:45:31 the dimensions I have in mind is 10x10x1cm or so. 18:45:55 I am trying to recall if the transistors are only in the address decoders or not 18:46:42 if they are only in the address decoders I can get away with having only conducting paths 18:47:53 is it possible to make something like transistors out of household materials? 18:47:56 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 18:48:05 grapheme maybe? 18:48:19 that's not the word. 18:48:29 graphite? 18:48:43 graphene 18:48:46 not going to be that advanced 18:49:16 you can make it out of pencil lead and scotch tape or something and it can conduct current 18:49:49 drawdio-esque? hmm.. that might work 18:49:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphene#Integrated_circuits 18:57:24 damn, the bloody thing will act like a small capacitor 18:58:51 you know more than i do about it at this point :D i saw it on some science show a few years ago 18:59:41 * Zarutian has a quick look at http://computer.howstuffworks.com/rom.htm 19:04:12 so basicly I am going to treat the ROM as an matrix of TA switches only the "switches" are permanently on or off 19:10:50 so, 297 select lines and 64 data lines 19:11:42 2376 bytes or 1188 words (16 bits) 19:16:14 this is so absurd that it actually might work! 19:18:24 :D 19:21:31 so, how this works: put 5V (or 3.3V) on one of the select lines, read if the voltage is present on the data lines. 19:23:57 so, usual graphing paper seems to be one micro thick (1/10th of a millimetre) and household aluminum foil about the same. 19:25:07 so around 1000 layers or so in 1cm 19:26:29 hell, Circuitscribe pens might make it nearly all paper 19:32:46 using https://www.adafruit.com/products/394 as interface is a bit too pricy 19:34:14 what are those connections on chips called that are like a matrix of half balls called again? 19:34:58 hmm.. or I could just go the cheapest way and have regular goops of solder 19:36:36 aha! ballgrid array! 19:39:15 the interface I am thinking of consits of 19x19 ballgrid array where there is 5 millimetres between each ball center 19:41:01 should I have the interface consist of 38x38 ballgrid array and 2.5 millimetres between? 19:43:09 can then get 1380 select lines and hence 11040 bytes (or 5520 cells) capacity 19:44:23 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:46:51 lets have that 1188 select lines and 256 data lines. 19:47:45 nearly 38 kilobytes of capacity could be aviable. 19:56:11 or nearly 19008 cells 19:57:07 --- join: nisstyre (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 19:57:21 which could contain a sizable game written in forth 19:57:33 (or J1 machine language) 20:00:47 well, I am off to bed 20:00:53 --- quit: Zarutian (Quit: Zarutian) 20:03:10 --- quit: Eth|cal (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 20:10:53 --- join: Eth|cal (~sam@139.216.253.31) joined #forth 20:52:27 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-25-130-177.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 21:15:47 --- quit: nys (Quit: sleeeeep) 23:06:13 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 23:15:01 --- quit: tangentstorm (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2) 23:30:55 --- quit: kumul (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:53:59 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: impomatic) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/13.12.28