00:00:00 --- log: started forth/13.12.20 00:08:01 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 00:32:01 --- join: impomatic (~john_metc@14.233.125.91.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 00:32:01 --- quit: john_metcalf (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:32:23 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-25-118-199.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 01:40:58 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 02:01:31 --- quit: protist (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 02:25:34 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net) joined #forth 02:25:34 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Client Quit) 02:25:49 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net) joined #forth 02:49:38 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:13:39 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 03:15:06 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@151.137.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 03:24:42 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.201.254) joined #forth 03:32:23 --- join: joneshf-laptop (~joneshf@086.112-30-64.ftth.swbr.surewest.net) joined #forth 03:42:46 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:03:29 --- join: protist (~protist@25.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 04:12:10 --- quit: newcup (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:12:48 --- quit: djinni (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:14:44 --- join: djinni (~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com) joined #forth 04:26:02 --- join: newcup (newcup@peruna.fi) joined #forth 05:05:34 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 05:07:12 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 05:10:37 --- join: karswell` (~user@119.243.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 05:12:58 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 05:23:27 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 05:41:26 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 05:49:03 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 05:52:36 --- quit: Eth|cal (Quit: Leaving) 05:52:55 --- join: Eth|cal (~sam@139.216.253.31) joined #forth 06:04:37 --- join: aranhoide (~smuxi@82.Red-95-122-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #forth 06:12:38 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:15:07 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 06:21:49 --- quit: protist (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:26:14 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:27:24 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-25-118-199.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 06:31:04 --- part: kochchef left #forth 06:31:25 --- quit: john_metcalf (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:32:44 --- join: john_metcalf (~john_metc@150.20.208.46.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 06:34:25 --- quit: regreg (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 06:39:37 --- join: regreg (~regreg@77.81.151.155) joined #forth 07:13:21 --- quit: daowee_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:49:35 --- quit: Eth|cal (Quit: Leaving) 07:49:56 --- join: Eth|cal (~sam@139.216.253.31) joined #forth 08:39:20 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 09:11:42 --- join: Mat3 (~quassel@91-64-102-142-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #forth 09:11:51 hello 09:12:41 hi 09:13:51 hi l440r 09:16:36 got forth questions?? :) 09:16:39 you code forth? 09:19:04 yes, coding in retro to be precise 09:19:22 aha cool 09:19:43 im coding forth on android }:) 09:19:56 well... i have some issues on any securiy enhanced android's 09:20:52 that's nice, what system do you use ? 09:22:22 define "system" 09:22:25 which forth? 09:22:28 the one i wrote :P~ 09:22:37 the arm forth isnt released yet 09:25:59 I see, you are about writing your own forth 09:30:00 i always write my own forths 09:30:14 i kind of have a severe alertic reaction to ANS forths :P! 09:30:27 www.isforth.com is my x32 linux forth 09:30:33 which i then ported to ARM linux 09:31:30 wow. isforth.com is DOWN lol 09:31:39 I hope to find someone here discussing aspects of stack processors, specially minimal usable instruction sets 09:32:44 may I ask you what's the drawbacks of ANS forth in your opinion (just curious) ? 09:33:38 ans forth is horrendously over complicated imho 09:33:41 like postpone 09:33:49 theres nothing wrong wtih compile or [compile] 09:34:02 and their decision to NOT define NOT is utterly idiotic imho 09:34:16 79 standard forth (or fig?) had a broken definiton for not 09:34:21 : not 0= ; 09:34:43 the 83 standard FIXED not. ans refused to define not because there are now two conflicting definitions for it 09:35:18 : foo postpone x postpone y postpone z postpone a postpone b ...... postpone z ; immediate <--- FUCKING HORRDNDOUS 09:35:52 when reading ans forth sources my mind goes blank in exactly the same way it goes blank reading C soruces 09:35:53 well, I know the Forth 83 standard at best 09:36:00 cool 09:36:02 you use FPC? 09:36:22 i mean in the DOS days did you use fpc? 09:36:22 yeah, I used FPC a lot quite some years ago 09:36:30 yes. it was the forth i learned on 09:36:37 isforth is made to look/feel like fpc 09:36:41 but its not fpc :) 09:39:06 today I prefer languages like retro (which incorpurate a more functional or so called concatentated philosophy [inspired from Factor as I know]) 09:40:14 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 09:40:59 sadly I do not know isforth 09:41:16 well it seems the site is down lol 09:41:33 im not worried about it, its on a server thats co-located at forth inc lol 09:41:57 i think retro predates factor no? 09:42:04 or maybe they are the same vintage im not sure 09:42:07 crc would know :) 09:42:38 retro is the successor of retroforth 09:43:20 yes 09:43:43 the original author of retroforth helped me get isforth up and running when i started coding it in late 2000 early 2001 09:44:02 TCN 09:44:12 the language has no direct relation to Factor beside some style influences 09:45:37 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 09:54:44 I440r: retro predates factor, though some influences were taken from factor (terminology and function naming in a few cases) in recent years 09:55:24 sort of the way i rememvber it 10:03:14 "remember" even 10:03:16 heh 10:03:35 crc do you know any ubber geek android devs? 10:03:54 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-173-228-252-246.prtc.net) joined #forth 10:07:07 brb 10:07:26 --- nick: Mat3 -> Mat3-brb 10:17:56 --- quit: aranhoide (Remote host closed the connection) 10:29:49 I440r: no 10:30:59 I440r: I dabbled with Android for a little while, but the requirements of using Java for development proved too annoying, so I abandoned it 10:36:41 whats the point of running a VM on a VM? 10:42:18 Ok, the video is now available http://www.infoq.com/presentations/power-144-chip 10:49:15 kumul: I've found nested vm's to be useful for debugging 11:01:21 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 11:05:07 lol 11:05:21 my forth vm does NOT run in the android VM 11:05:25 its a native application 11:12:19 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.201.254) joined #forth 11:12:20 --- quit: Bahman (Client Quit) 11:19:25 --- join: aranhoide (~smuxi@82.Red-95-122-80.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #forth 11:30:53 I440r: for arm only? 11:34:06 crc yes 11:34:31 the android forth is actually an ARM port of isforth that also just happens to run on an android device 11:35:00 isforth itself SHOULD run on any x86 android sans some extensions that wont work there 11:39:32 ok, good to know 11:59:11 given three values, and three xt's (a b c xt1 xt2 xt3), is there a reasonable way definition to reshuffle this to: a xt1 b xt2 c xt3 ? 12:15:17 --- nick: Mat3-brb -> Mat3 12:25:58 true-glue: Thank you for the link 12:31:07 2>r -rot r> -rot r> ? 12:31:35 erm actually 2>r -rot r> swap r> 12:31:36 lol 12:39:09 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 12:42:33 thanks! 12:44:56 --- quit: regreg (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 12:49:15 heh i has stack skillz 12:49:37 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 13:00:01 my vm has 3 instructions, ex1,ex2 and ex3 which rotate the second, third and fourth stack element with tos + dup. Because drop can be compiled as 'dup - -' I found this enough for replicate all stack shufflings. Are there other possibilities with less words useful (menas without performance sacrifices) ? 13:00:29 ^mean 13:04:04 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 13:13:51 ciao 13:14:11 --- part: Mat3 left #forth 13:15:03 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:51:23 --- quit: joneshf-laptop (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14:08:49 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-173-228-252-246.prtc.net) joined #forth 14:37:14 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 14:50:38 --- quit: joneshf-work (Remote host closed the connection) 14:52:11 --- join: joneshf-work (~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com) joined #forth 14:52:16 --- quit: joneshf-work (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:52:23 --- join: joneshf-work (~joneshf@mail.concordusapps.com) joined #forth 14:56:59 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.22.137) joined #forth 15:58:02 --- join: regreg (~regreg@77.81.151.155) joined #forth 15:59:32 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 16:23:16 --- quit: regreg (Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de) 16:24:54 --- join: regreg (~regreg@77.81.151.155) joined #forth 16:28:31 --- quit: regreg (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:34:02 --- join: regreg (~regreg@77.81.151.155) joined #forth 18:26:15 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@c-98-210-219-91.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:33:09 chuck moore's strangeloop talk is finally online: http://www.infoq.com/presentations/power-144-chip 19:59:57 should be in the topic 20:00:19 how about it I440r ? 20:26:57 --- quit: regreg (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 21:59:15 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 22:08:31 kuml heh what am i supposed to do? 22:08:45 --- topic: set to 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | links: qr.net/gforth isforth.com forthfreak.net qr.net/ans_standard | Buy forth chips from www.greenarraychips.com | http://www.infoq.com/presentations/power-144-chip' by I440r 22:28:50 neat, thanks 23:09:33 --- quit: ncv (Remote host closed the connection) 23:23:44 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 23:24:19 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-26-45-77.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 23:38:51 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.22.137) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/13.12.20