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nick: kalp -> kulp 19:32:17 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 19:45:56 For a "GA144-Discovery" style of board, what features do you think would be "must have"? It's a given that there will be a GA144 and another small, cheap MCU acting as a communications controller. There'll be a power LED, a communication link LED and a couple of user LEDs, some RAM and ... this is where I want input. 19:46:09 What other kinds of things should be on the board to make it interesting to play with out of the box? 19:46:17 Sensors (MEMS or otherwise)? 19:46:33 Various communication elements? 19:46:43 What would YOU want in a small, cheap GA144 dev board? 19:55:40 usb connection? 19:57:49 ttmrichter: it would be nice if you could design them to snap together or fit in a small rack side by side so we could put a bunch of them together. rack 19:58:12 er.. whoops 19:58:36 tangentstorm: USB will be one of the software demonstration projects. 20:00:16 When you say rackable, I presume you mean that all the connectors are on the same side for easy access? 20:00:25 so it would connect to a computer through a usb port for programming out of the box, right? 20:00:36 That would be the goal, yes. 20:00:54 cool 20:02:02 i don't know what i mean. just that it should be easy to connect them into larger grids. 20:03:51 OK, I'll look at how to deal with that. 20:04:11 Maybe have the I/O pins extending sideways from the back of the board for easy chaining with ribbon cables. 20:06:34 cool 20:07:52 The specifics of this will be left up to the hardware guys. 20:08:00 I'm just soliciting input for desired features at this point. 20:08:29 it would be cool to have some kind of long term storage, so the device could load a configuration from ... an sd card? something besides a computer i guess. 20:08:56 Well, that goes into SBC territory. We're aiming for simple and cheap eval board. 20:09:33 so if i wanted that, i'd be better off pairing it with an arduino or something? 20:10:00 Or use the prototyping array to solder in an SD card holder of your own. :) 20:10:36 no idea how to do that yet but it sounds good on paper. :) 20:11:03 It's just a grid of holes with soldering pads. 20:11:34 You'd solder the SD card holder into it, then bridge to the I/O pins with wire. 20:12:20 I'm a klutz and I could do it. 20:13:30 sounds easy enough. :) 20:14:11 i can't think of anything else i'd want then. i don't have enough experience to be creative with hardware i guess. :) 20:14:31 i mostly want to experiment with the processor. 20:14:42 processor(s) 20:15:02 Well, yeah, but if you get the processor with no other hardware connected you're stuck having to do your own hardware. 20:15:15 In which case you may as well get a Schmartboard. 20:15:41 but i'd have to solder that and figure out how to hook it up to a computer. 20:16:00 Right. 20:16:15 Whereas with a decent eval board you have things to play with (LEDs for blinky, for example) out of the box. 20:16:22 With minimal need to do your own circuitry. 20:16:52 well how about using some of the pins for a tiny breadboard? 20:17:03 so we don't have to solder anything at all? 20:17:33 Building a breadboard (as opposed to a prototyping board) directly in will raise the costs. 20:17:44 It's better to just make the pins available so you can bridge to a breadboard. 20:18:01 Jumpers are cheap and easy to use. 20:18:56 so the connections would look like this? http://www.wrighthobbies.com/images/P/pb10-2.jpg 20:19:42 That's a prototyping board, yes. 20:19:52 But no, I'd have pins for easy access. 20:20:20 so like this? http://www.robotmesh.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/1280x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/i/m/imgp7295-600x600_1.jpg 20:20:28 http://www.st.com/web/catalog/tools/FM116/SC959/SS1532/LN1199/PF259090?s_searchtype=partnumber 20:20:34 Look at the right and left edges of that board. 20:21:03 Yeah, like the one you have there, except the pins would actually be soldered in for your convenience. :D 20:22:24 works for me 20:28:01 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-26-48-203.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 20:28:47 --- nick: ASau` -> ASau 20:34:59 other peripherals like 6 axis accelerometers are fun but ultimately not that interesting. a usb connection soldered on (even if you need to do it in software) and some extra leds are about all i can think i'd want 20:35:37 oh and maybe a button or two. i'm basing all this off the f4 discovery and what i actually use or want to use 20:35:42 Six axis accelerometer? For all those hyperspace movements? :D 20:35:54 LEDs and buttons are a given. 20:36:10 i guess it's 6 direction, 3 axis. or maybe that includes spin/rotation 20:36:30 Ah, that's a 3-axis accelerometer and 3-axis gyroscope 20:36:37 I see what you mean now. 20:36:59 most ppl seem to want as many io pins free to do their own stuff. my issue w/f4 is still i/o to the cpu from a host over usb. so the basics probably work for most and also keep cost down 20:37:03 But the thing is, it's good to have something you can start using right out of the box without outside components of your own. 20:37:14 anything more and you're into the full proto board realm i guess 20:37:21 As long as you can turn them off (like desoldering a bridge) it's not a problem. 20:37:45 That's where the F4 discovery and its ilk are nice. 20:38:00 You can turn off all the peripherals if you decide you just want the prototyping access. 20:38:06 well just for fun, what about a little speaker or an audio jack? 20:38:09 But you can play with it out of the box and do non-trivial things. 20:38:31 i think ga144 ought to be pretty good for music 20:38:35 yes. the usb mouse controlled by tilt of the f4 demo was nice to showcase and some "wow" but i don't know if i plan to use it once the thing is up under my forth. maybe. 20:38:49 bluekelp: That's the key. The "wow!" factor. 20:38:53 Then you turn it off and never use it again. 20:38:59 The parts cost is negligible. 20:39:18 But it gives you something cool to do when you open the box. 20:39:33 maybe put an RCA connector on it and have the thing do a simple old-school 8bit video game demo "out of the box" 20:41:41 read usb mouse/keyboard in and have it output ntsc/pal over RCA. or emulate an old school c64's basic, etc. :) 20:47:57 bluekelp: I'll have to check with my hardware guys to see how much that would cost. :) 20:56:12 --- join: conjecTech (~alex@c-98-251-50-173.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:19:55 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 21:59:29 --- join: asie_ (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 22:02:30 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:08:10 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 22:25:37 --- quit: asie_ (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 22:33:44 --- join: asie_ (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 22:38:53 --- quit: asie_ (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 22:44:46 --- quit: djinni_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 22:47:44 --- join: djinni (~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com) joined #forth 23:02:21 ttmrichter: i just return back home to sourthen china 23:02:43 Yay! How's life in the hometown? 23:03:12 it feels like my inter cycle come to short 23:03:25 people acts slower now in my eye :] 23:03:47 Yeah, "you can never go back home." 23:03:58 When I go back to Canada I'll view my countrymen as strange aliens. 23:04:32 sure, your hometown in your hometown has 4 deminsions 23:04:44 you need to go back to that point at that time 23:04:59 And you yourself have to go back to that point. 23:05:05 Because your hometown has changed and so have you. 23:05:27 So, jyf, you probably missed my announcement and my subsequent RFCs. 23:05:27 i call it migrate back home 23:05:35 at rfc? 23:05:42 your ga144 soc ? 23:05:44 http://michael.richter.name/blogs/the-ga144-discovery-is-a-go 23:06:07 That's the announcement. And I'm soliciting input for what features people would like to see. 23:07:17 ttmrichter: looks like the target website was blocked by gfw 23:07:33 Motherfucking Beijing cowards. 23:08:35 Ah, no. 23:08:39 My site is down for some reason. 23:10:03 ttmrichter: yes 23:10:07 OK, the data centre is getting migrated. 23:10:18 It'll be back up in a while. 23:10:25 so basicly you are doing the bussiness? 23:10:33 Anyway, the executive summary is easy: The "GA144-Discovery" project is a go. 23:10:34 people could pre-order one? 23:10:50 Not yet. Right now I'm soliciting input on what people might want to see in it. 23:10:51 ah, good news to me 23:10:53 Any ideas? 23:11:26 well i think its better to include a fpga chip 23:11:41 FPGA is out of scope. This is a dev board for the GA144. 23:11:55 Cheap FPGA dev boards are a dime a dozen. 23:12:56 then i'v no idea what it should include 23:13:20 OK. If you think of anything, let me know. 23:13:27 since you name it -discovery, maybe you could add led light just like F1-discovery 23:13:40 I won't be naming it "Discovery". That's just a project name. :) 23:14:02 One of my hardware guys works for STM's biggest Chinese distributor. He'd probably get in shit if we called it "-Discovery". 23:14:34 oops, that might got you the layer's letter 23:15:12 We'll find some other name, no worries. 23:15:22 GA144-Explorer? 23:15:33 Easy enough to keep to the same theme. 23:15:46 And of course if this works out there'll be a few more such cards made with different devices. 23:16:31 ga144-ultimate? 23:16:56 Nah, makes it sound too big and expensive. That's what the EVB001 is. 23:17:06 or ga144-push, push indicate the stack manipulation 23:18:26 pretty much anything i can think of that i'd want to do is covered by having a usb connector and easy access to the pins. 23:18:32 Works only for one product. I'm planning a line of them for a variety of offbeat MCUs. 23:18:43 tangentstorm: Those are both a given. :) 23:20:14 Basically, I'm making the board *I* want with a nod to what others might want. 23:20:22 And *I* want USB and pin access. 23:20:29 Therefore I will have USB and pin access. ;) 23:20:58 so what would you use the buttons and led's for? 23:23:26 oh ofcourse there should be usb and pin access 23:31:49 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 23:35:22 --- join: nighty-_ (~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 23:37:12 --- quit: nighty-_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:37:29 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:40:17 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 23:43:33 --- join: regreg (~regreg@77.81.151.155) joined #forth 23:45:01 tangentstorm: So that people have something to do with the board out of the box. 23:45:19 And I'm thinking of including sensors or DAC/ADC or something. 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/13.12.16