00:00:00 --- log: started forth/13.11.16 00:01:20 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 00:04:07 --- quit: nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 00:09:07 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 00:17:21 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 00:25:39 --- quit: Bahman (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:26:31 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.60.196) joined #forth 01:09:33 --- quit: crc_mobile (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 01:11:37 --- join: crc_mobile (uid2647@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aiehtyrhblzmegta) joined #forth 01:31:51 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 01:50:31 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 02:10:23 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@8.23.141.40) joined #forth 02:14:53 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02:19:26 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 02:40:07 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 02:44:44 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:51:29 --- quit: kludge` (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 02:53:39 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 03:16:32 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 03:18:20 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.60.196) joined #forth 04:11:27 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@8.23.141.40) joined #forth 04:14:10 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 04:15:33 --- quit: mnemnion (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 04:57:08 --- quit: Bahman (Quit: Leaving.) 05:12:49 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@87.115.219.253) joined #forth 05:22:01 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 05:26:49 --- join: mayuresh (~mayuresh@triband-mum-120.60.147.90.mtnl.net.in) joined #forth 05:27:42 hello :) 05:27:49 Ahoy. 05:28:09 what's up? 05:28:48 mayuresh: Going back to your earlier question for the troll, the best "book" for assembly language programming is really a relatively simple CPU, an assembler, some example source code and the spec sheet for the chip. 05:29:33 ttmrichter: ah that, it was just to needle asau... :) 05:29:42 And when I say simple, I mean things like a fairly clean instruction set like the Motorola 68* chips. 05:29:57 Oh. Damn. 05:30:08 thanks for the suggestion nevertheless 05:30:20 accepted with gratitude :) 05:30:33 btw, are you good at 68k assembly? 05:32:59 it would be a cool if someone with good grasp over 68k asm could translate the quickdraw source to pseudo-code. 05:33:27 oh, btw, the quickdraw source has been released out in the open by apple 05:34:19 No, sadly I never went down the 68000 branch. 05:34:41 oh okay, know anyone? 05:34:42 I did some very limited 68..09, I think? And stuff like 68HC11 or 68HC05. 05:34:47 Nope. 05:38:46 wonder what sort of life i would have when i start off with forth and stick with it... 05:48:51 --- quit: mayuresh (Quit: "be right back") 05:52:37 --- join: mayuresh (~mayuresh@triband-mum-120.60.147.90.mtnl.net.in) joined #forth 05:55:20 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 05:55:30 hey asie, how've you been? 05:55:36 fine 05:55:52 any new technical problems troubling you? 05:56:00 not really 05:56:08 that's nice :) 06:04:48 I'm sure everybody is just itching to know that triple-A (Abusive Asshole Admin) solved his technical problem that gave him his temper tantrum. 06:05:20 :) 06:05:26 --- join: LinearInterpol (~RJones@cpe-76-179-150-229.maine.res.rr.com) joined #forth 06:05:34 someone sent him a patch for gdb 06:07:21 but, he's kind of a nice guy 06:07:30 it must've been a really bad day for him 06:07:45 and i definitely got on to his nerves with my radical joke :) 06:12:56 My own interactions with him paint him as a paranoid right-wing nutbar myself. 06:16:13 :D 06:21:52 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 06:41:45 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: impomatic) 06:44:31 have there been any forth based projects with a graphical interface? 06:44:45 other than jef raskin's cannon cat! 06:51:23 Pf, 68K. 06:52:22 In general, it isn't hard to understand it once you get along with its two sets of registers. 06:54:04 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 06:55:37 asau: can you _really_ understand 68k assembly? 06:55:44 asau: you're cool dude 06:56:05 asau: could you translate the quickdraw source from 68k asm to pseudo-code? 06:56:41 Yes, I can. 06:57:00 No, I shan't translate something I'm totally disinterested in. 06:57:20 Besides, there's little point in pseudocode these days. 06:57:36 asau: aw, come on, you're so good at computing stuff 06:57:45 asau: why don't you get interested in it? 06:57:56 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~ErhardtMu@host33-75-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 06:58:16 It is remnants of those times when programming languages were so incapable that you couldn't write it in your BASIC. 06:58:28 asau: are you sure? 06:59:02 Why should I be interested in something that is so useful that nobody bothered to rewrite it in past 20 years? 06:59:09 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-26-223-94.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 06:59:14 asau: i mean, quickdraw was the basis of the venerable macintosh 'ui' for years 06:59:28 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@8.23.141.40) joined #forth 06:59:29 asau: till quickdraw was superseeded by quartz 06:59:30 We have better user interface these days. 06:59:52 It is readily available in high-level programming languages. 06:59:59 asau: which better user interface are you referring to? 07:00:24 asau: aw, come on, how about using a bit of your excellent mind to do some real stuff? 07:00:29 Virtually any X11 WM is equal or better. 07:00:38 asau: are you certain! 07:00:45 asau: surely you must be joking 07:00:57 I'm busy with more useful stuff than rewriting some useless piece of obsolete junk. 07:01:13 asau: you're actually busy!! can't believe that... 07:01:14 If Apple has disclosed it, you can be sure that it is useless. 07:01:41 asau: are you sure you're as good as you claim to be? 07:01:51 asau: or are you all gas? 07:02:30 asau: why not do something of significance? 07:02:39 Is anyone here has an experience with Forth for XMOS? 07:04:06 I am doing something of significance. 07:04:32 asau: yeah, like your dumb-fuck statements on the forth channel on freenode.net 07:04:47 asau: yeah, i totally agree with you... 07:05:49 Better go learn 68K and translate the software you want. ;) 07:06:17 asau: are you doing self-talk again? 07:06:32 I developed a Forth for 68K for a while back in time. 07:06:46 asau: you are so great with so many software related things 07:06:53 asau: are you sure about it? 07:07:23 asau: a seriously serious question; "do you actually program in forth?" 07:07:46 asau: or are you here just for the fun of trolling? 07:10:20 true-grue: xmos from xmos.com? 07:10:36 yes 07:10:39 true-grue: i'm not very knowledgeable about low-level stuff, but, xmos does look interesting 07:10:53 conceptually *very* cool 07:11:37 --- join: Azel (~Azel@106.227.20.93.rev.sfr.net) joined #forth 07:11:44 There was some Forths for it, but I don't know about real projects with them. 07:12:27 were 07:12:50 okay 07:13:26 --- quit: mayuresh (Quit: "off for dinner") 07:30:09 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 07:42:48 --- join: kumul (~mool@adsl-64-237-224-161.prtc.net) joined #forth 08:13:47 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~ErhardtMu@host33-75-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 08:37:14 --- quit: kludge` (Remote host closed the connection) 09:08:10 --- quit: nottwo (Quit: leaving) 09:10:26 --- quit: ErhardtMundt (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.) 09:11:05 --- quit: Zarutian (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 09:33:30 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~ErhardtMu@host33-75-dynamic.53-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 09:34:38 --- quit: Azel (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 09:36:53 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 10:05:15 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 10:14:06 --- quit: kludge` (Quit: leaving) 10:14:56 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 10:17:10 --- join: _spt_ (~Jaat@host-92-12-216-243.as43234.net) joined #forth 10:17:10 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 10:17:10 --- join: _spt_ (~Jaat@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 10:45:37 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 10:52:47 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 11:11:54 --- join: kumool (~mool@66-50-97-148.prtc.net) joined #forth 11:13:54 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 11:47:36 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 11:47:53 --- join: asie (~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl) joined #forth 11:55:23 --- join: Azel (~Thunderbi@83.82.69.86.rev.sfr.net) joined #forth 11:59:40 --- quit: kumool (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 12:11:41 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:00:26 --- join: nisstyre (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 13:42:21 --- quit: Azel (Quit: Azel) 13:44:01 --- join: Azel (~Azel@83.82.69.86.rev.sfr.net) joined #forth 14:00:18 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 14:01:52 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@108.232.85.239) joined #forth 14:05:19 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 14:07:19 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@87.115.219.253) joined #forth 14:18:29 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 14:32:54 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@108.232.85.239) joined #forth 14:47:45 --- quit: _spt_ (Quit: gone) 14:48:33 --- quit: yiyus (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 15:11:26 --- join: kumool (~mool@66-50-97-148.prtc.net) joined #forth 15:18:44 --- quit: Azel (Remote host closed the connection) 15:19:08 --- join: Azel (~Azel@83.82.69.86.rev.sfr.net) joined #forth 15:53:33 --- quit: Zarutian (Remote host closed the connection) 15:53:53 --- join: Zarutian (~zarutian@194-144-84-110.du.xdsl.is) joined #forth 16:10:07 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@cpe-192-136-220-10.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 16:20:28 thats right. dont spam in spanish! 16:21:40 --- quit: mnemnion (Remote host closed the connection) 16:22:13 --- join: mnemnion (~mnemnion@108.232.85.239) joined #forth 16:24:41 buenos dias 16:24:56 se puede espamear en ingles mark4 ? 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:) 23:43:15 the ceiling 23:43:40 ha ha ha... :D 23:45:44 btw, did you guys know! asau was kicked off the channel once 23:45:53 man, he deserved it 23:49:23 --- join: Adeon (~valaat@109.73.169.52) joined #forth 23:52:17 You know what? 23:52:47 asau got kicked off the forth channel a while back by the admin 23:52:48 Being proud of one idiot makes you on equal terms with that idiot. 23:52:57 --- quit: asie (Quit: I'll probably come back in either 20 minutes or 8 hours.) 23:53:22 asau: are your thoughts as convoluted as your statements are incoherent 23:53:35 But you really cannot understand even those elementary things. :) 23:53:43 and you do! 23:54:25 All smart people know what Voltaire said about his thoughts being "incoherent." :) 23:54:45 asau: frankly, why do you lurk around on a channel dedicated to a language you dislike so much 23:55:11 asau: must be because you have no other place to go 23:55:22 asau: or is it because no one else wants you? 23:55:45 Anyway, you can stay with your current level of achievements. 23:55:49 asau: or is it because you got kick-banned from all other channels? 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