00:00:00 --- log: started forth/13.09.06 00:49:21 --- join: rixard_ (~rixard@81-235-139-119-no63.tbcn.telia.com) joined #forth 00:50:16 --- quit: rixard (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:50:16 --- nick: rixard_ -> rixard 01:05:38 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@188.134.41.114) joined #forth 01:49:58 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01:53:24 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:02:41 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 02:04:04 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-27-200-38.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:32:04 --- quit: kludge` (Ping timeout: 267 seconds) 02:37:06 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 02:43:03 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 02:51:39 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net) joined #forth 03:04:03 --- join: true-grue_ (~quassel@95-27-200-38.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 03:07:07 --- quit: true-grue (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03:18:38 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 03:28:20 --- join: ErhardtMundt (~Lawrence@host121-72-dynamic.46-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined #forth 04:45:26 --- join: ASau` (~user@p4FF96BB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 04:48:36 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 04:51:06 --- quit: nisstyre (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 05:22:47 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@97-88-148-161.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined #forth 05:28:43 KipIngram: Ok good, then the small investment of the paper version of Thinking Forth should pay off ;-) 05:50:22 --- join: ehaliewicz (~user@50-0-51-11.dsl.static.sonic.net) joined #forth 05:55:04 --- quit: ehaliewicz (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 06:53:55 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 07:01:28 --- join: RodgerTheGreat_ (~rodger@97-88-148-161.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined #forth 07:01:33 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:01:33 --- nick: RodgerTheGreat_ -> RodgerTheGreat 07:09:03 I prefer "Mastering Forth", but unfortunately it's for Forth 83. 07:25:32 --- join: _spt_ (~steven@host-92-12-221-75.as43234.net) joined #forth 07:25:32 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 07:25:32 --- join: _spt_ (~steven@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 07:30:05 --- quit: _spt_ (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 07:33:43 --- join: _spt_ (~steven@host-92-12-221-75.as43234.net) joined #forth 07:33:43 --- quit: _spt_ (Changing host) 07:33:43 --- join: _spt_ (~steven@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 07:35:37 --- join: __spt (~steven@host-92-12-221-75.as43234.net) joined #forth 07:35:37 --- quit: __spt (Changing host) 07:35:37 --- join: __spt (~steven@unaffiliated/-spt-/x-5624824) joined #forth 07:36:30 --- quit: __spt (Client Quit) 07:38:16 --- quit: _spt_ (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 07:56:33 Programming Forth is pretty good: http://www.mpeforth.com/arena/ProgramForth.pdf 08:28:53 RodgerTheGreat: Thanks, always nice to have more material to mentally chew through. 08:29:08 no prob 08:29:18 I'd be curious to hear what you think of it 08:29:37 I'll let you know. 08:29:54 I like the fact that Programming Forth works through examples- it's always useful to see more good examples of Forth codde 08:29:56 *code 08:30:16 this is the same reason the "Object-Oriented Forth" was a fun read for me 08:30:48 (note that Object Oriented Forth might better be titled "Data Structures in Forth", if OOP strikes a nerve for anybody here) 08:32:40 I like the way "Object-Oriented Forth" solves a problem, then improves the solution step by step. 08:32:51 exactly 08:33:04 rather than leaping to the punchline, you get to see the design rationale 08:33:19 and all the intermediate solutions it comes up with may be appropriate depending on your needs 08:34:32 Also I liked "FORTH: The Next Step" 08:35:20 Programming Forth is looking really good thus far. It explains some lingo that I haven't quite yet understood. 08:43:02 After reading Brodie books I suggest to read sources of a small Forth system like eForth. You don't need to read dozens of Forth books. It's like read about a piano instead playing it :) 08:47:20 I suggest reading a book, then writing some little programs, then reading another book and so on 08:47:48 more experience will give you a different perspective and more information will give you new options for writing your programs 08:53:13 My point is that you can learn all Forth-specifc theory is, in fact, in a few weeks. But there is basically two types who started to learn Forth: ones who already has some CS background (system programming, compilers/interpreters, programming styles) and those who not. 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