00:00:00 --- log: started forth/13.08.16 00:46:29 --- quit: I440r (Remote host closed the connection) 00:46:35 --- quit: fftw (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 00:48:50 --- quit: c00kiemon5ter (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 00:49:03 --- join: c00kiemon5ter (~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter) joined #forth 00:54:05 --- join: fftw (~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua) joined #forth 01:25:52 --- join: lookatthesea (~shane@CPE0018394c41d7-CM0019475ccd6e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 01:29:25 --- part: lookatthesea left #forth 01:54:55 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18243117/add-literal-space-character-to-pictured-numeric-output 01:55:09 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18246756/what-is-the-most-common-filename-extension-of-a-forth-source-code-file 01:55:16 (new forth questions) 01:56:29 not terribly good questions, but still :/ 01:57:46 the answer is blocks! :) *hides* 01:58:33 * tangentstorm likes blocks. 02:05:13 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 02:06:04 --- join: ASau` (~user@p4FF97D9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 02:06:56 * C-Keen too 02:31:31 --- join: true-grue (~quassel@95-28-27-168.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 02:34:07 --- quit: kludge` (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 02:37:01 --- join: kludge` (~comet@unaffiliated/espiral) joined #forth 03:06:43 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 03:27:50 --- quit: fftw (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03:35:51 --- join: fftw (~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua) joined #forth 03:45:44 tangentstorm: Yes, e.g. : type|err ( c-addr u -- ) stderr write-file throw ; and : .. ( n -- ) 0 <<# bl hold #s #> #>> err ; etc; and note that my .. word contains the answer to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18243117/, which you just posted. (I don't have a StackOverflow account and amn't going to answer that question myself, because I'm too much a Forth newbie; maybe you could answer it. The poster is close; that [char] is bogus.) 03:48:46 tangentstorm: However, defining a word like .." is a bit overwhelming; I'm still trying to grok `see ."`, which in GForth contains a (compile) word that is not documented. `see .\"` is even worse, entailing all the wtfitude of `see ."` as well as a use of undocumented \"-parse. 03:52:59 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 03:56:19 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 04:29:51 amn't :) 04:32:32 yeah... i would really would like to see a standard forth built atop retro's vm (or something like it), where you could learn a handful of primitives and then everything built up from there. 04:43:35 --- join: ASau`` (~user@p4FF96E42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 04:46:37 --- quit: ASau` (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05:17:06 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 05:26:01 port eforth to ngaro :) 05:26:32 but then it's not standard either 05:33:06 maybe the standard is a myth? :D 05:34:02 an ansi standard is not a myth :) but the eforth predates that 05:38:34 Is Eforth non standard, why? 05:40:13 true-grue: indeed. I stand corrected. eforth is standard compliant 05:40:14 like he said... it predates the standard. 05:40:16 oh. 05:40:46 "ext to the stack notes, provided for each Forth word, will be an ANS reference number in the form 0.0.0000 and the Boot Firmware byte code in the form 0x00, where applicable." 05:40:51 http://www.calcentral.com/~forth/forth/ 05:40:54 *Next 05:41:28 The eForth author wrote: "eForth is a SUBSET of the ANS Programming Language -- Forth." 05:41:46 version 1.0 is from 1990 so that's a few years behind dpans94 05:42:22 before... 05:42:29 whatever 05:42:34 Anyway, IMO, the standard in not a panacea. It's good to be compatible with ANS CORE set and that's all. 05:44:23 yeah 05:45:31 There is two opposite ends of the ANS scale: small&nice eForth and big&ugly gForth :) 05:46:19 * C-Keen tried noforth on a msp430 launchpad yesterday 05:53:56 i mostly seem to look at older code for some reason, and then i started using retroforth, so... i haven't really encountered much ansi-compliant code. 05:56:14 There are some old Forths with inspiring designs like cmForth and Holon. 05:59:45 cm = chuck moore? 06:00:46 http://www.forthfreak.net/index.cgi?cmForth 06:01:04 i like how that site always says "you are Nobody" at me. really humbling. :) 06:01:35 Yes, a Forth for Novix chip. But it's source code is really readable. 06:02:27 It was a last "normal" Chuck's Forth :) 06:10:19 --- quit: nighty^ (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 06:10:55 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@lns-bzn-49f-62-147-170-46.adsl.proxad.net) joined #forth 07:04:03 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@c-98-202-115-133.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined #forth 07:49:26 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:54:55 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 08:26:56 --- nick: ASau`` -> ASau 09:15:34 --- join: Nisstyre-laptop (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 09:29:23 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 10:12:06 --- join: Tod-Work (~thansmann@50-202-143-210-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #forth 10:30:00 --- join: mark4_ (~mark4@cpe-192-136-213-83.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 11:34:05 --- nick: Nisstyre-laptop -> Nisstyre 12:07:00 --- quit: mark4_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 12:19:30 --- join: mark4_ (~mark4@cpe-192-136-213-83.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 12:48:11 --- quit: c00kiemon5ter (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12:49:15 --- join: c00kiemon5ter (~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter) joined #forth 12:57:27 --- quit: Nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 13:40:29 --- join: Nisstyre (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 13:40:48 --- quit: true-grue (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:05:22 --- quit: nighty^ (Remote host closed the connection) 14:05:55 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 14:38:54 --- join: ASau (~user@p4FF96E42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 14:51:07 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 14:56:15 --- join: ASau (~user@p4FF96E42.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #forth 15:23:40 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 15:54:23 --- quit: c00kiemon5ter (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15:56:19 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:00:20 --- join: c00kiemon5ter (~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter) joined #forth 16:05:23 --- quit: Tod-Work (Quit: Leaving) 16:42:52 --- quit: dys (Remote host closed the connection) 17:01:03 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@c-98-202-115-133.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:24:18 --- quit: sirdancealo2 (Remote host closed the connection) 20:14:27 --- join: sirdancealo2 (~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz) joined #forth 21:15:31 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.116.27) joined #forth 22:15:04 --- quit: Bahman (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 22:18:03 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.116.27) joined #forth 22:20:04 Yeah... Color Forth was a bit "out there"... 22:20:41 I see where he was going with it, but most minds aren't that "purist." 22:43:14 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Quit: RodgerTheGreat) 23:00:34 --- join: Bahman1 (~Bahman@2.146.8.188) joined #forth 23:00:41 --- quit: Bahman (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 23:27:42 --- quit: Nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 23:56:01 --- join: dys (~user@2a01:1e8:e100:8296:21a:4dff:fe4e:273a) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/13.08.16