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09:53:12 <tangentstorm> thi showed up on reddit today: http://persephone.ojdip.net/stutsk/
09:53:19 <tangentstorm> s/thi/this/
09:53:40 <tangentstorm> just another concatenative language
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15:14:13 <tangentstorm> hey guys... i'm doing an impromptu class on implementing pascal over in #pascal if anyone wants to come hang out
15:14:31 <tangentstorm> (on ngaro in retro)
15:20:25 <dto> RodgerTheGreat and tangentstorm hey :)
15:20:30 <tangentstorm> hey dto
15:20:32 <dto> RodgerTheGreat: were you off line for a while
15:20:33 <dto> ?
15:20:37 <dto> hey.
15:20:42 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah
15:21:43 <dto> hope you're doing all right. 
15:21:48 <dto> whats up in forthland
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15:22:08 <RodgerTheGreat> not a ton lately
15:22:15 <RodgerTheGreat> I've been very busy with actual work
15:22:36 <dto> ok. i wont be noisy
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16:48:06 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm trying to come up with a summer project and I am torn between doing a second remake of forth warrior where I pull out all the stops with animation and sound and a nice tutorial and things or doing a different programming game about Logo
16:48:14 <RodgerTheGreat> it'd be called "All the way down"
16:48:45 <RodgerTheGreat> and be about exploring the ruins of an ancient civilization with the help of a pet turtle
16:49:45 <RodgerTheGreat> exploring mazes (turtle graphics), decoding hieroglyphics (list manipulation), etc
16:50:08 <RodgerTheGreat> possibly with different kinds of turtles which speak different languages
16:50:34 <RodgerTheGreat> like C turtles
16:51:42 <RodgerTheGreat> turtles of the forth kind
16:51:42 <RodgerTheGreat> etc
16:51:50 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: what is the state of forth warrior ?
16:51:52 <kulp> should i try to play it ?
16:52:01 <RodgerTheGreat> it's totally playable
16:52:06 <kulp> :O
16:52:08 <RodgerTheGreat> some people have even reported having fun
16:52:10 <kulp> haha
16:52:14 <kulp> sober people ?
16:52:18 * kulp hides hidily
16:52:18 * _spt_ wishes there was some Forth stuff in the UK
16:52:48 <RodgerTheGreat> _spt_: if it makes you feel better all the forth stuff in the US seems to be on the opposite coast from me
16:53:10 <RodgerTheGreat> kulp: sober even
16:53:11 <RodgerTheGreat> https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako/tree/master/games/Warrior2
16:53:40 <RodgerTheGreat> I think it's a good game, it just doesn't pull out all the stops
16:53:48 <_spt_> well I feel that its only the Jupiter Ace team that are doing any Forth in the uk
16:54:16 <RodgerTheGreat> to be fair I think SVFig is mostly like 10 dudes
16:54:50 <_spt_> dudes? 
16:54:59 <RodgerTheGreat> people
16:55:08 <RodgerTheGreat> given the industry they are statistically dudes
16:55:19 <_spt_> lol
16:55:25 <RodgerTheGreat> it's sad but true
16:57:02 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: haha catseye got you too eh
16:57:13 <kulp> i got excited first when catseye forked my repo
16:57:21 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm a sucker for pull requests
16:57:21 <kulp> it was my first fork :)
16:57:28 <kulp> yeah i have the same one :P
16:57:43 <RodgerTheGreat> he's also the reason Mako has an open-source license
16:58:06 <kulp> https://github.com/kulp/tenyr/commit/49ec3b80d1055064584eb1a2fa4c18fdbf300d3a
16:58:07 <kulp> see
16:58:24 <kulp> i bet i added lots of new files that do that wrong though
16:58:27 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: oh ?
16:58:40 <RodgerTheGreat> yeah I was just waiting for someone to actually ask
16:59:44 <kulp> ah
16:59:59 <RodgerTheGreat> kulp: he used your repo as a toolshelf case study but he didn't for mine. :(
17:00:08 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: :O where ?
17:00:28 <RodgerTheGreat> https://github.com/catseye/toolshelf#case-studies
17:00:39 <kulp> oh there
17:00:43 <kulp> https://github.com/catseye/toolshelf/blob/master/catalog/catseye-forks.catalog
17:00:43 <kulp> hehe
17:01:07 <kulp> interesting
17:01:19 <RodgerTheGreat> maybe toolshelf doesn't know how to play nicely with ant yet
17:01:46 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: so how's research been ? i haven't heard since you had that epiphany that everything is NP-complete and the world is ending
17:02:21 <RodgerTheGreat> I came up with sort of a way to do it that takes advantage of some stuff I know about the structure of the problem
17:03:02 <RodgerTheGreat> I'm not completely convinced it's still polynomial but I have a bunch of asserts in it and I haven't been able to write a test case that makes it behave non-linearly
17:03:50 <RodgerTheGreat> and I fixed this nasty phase-ordering problem in my implementation today. I've now left happy DAG-land and I am dealing with reducible graphs
17:03:56 <RodgerTheGreat> then irreducible graphs
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17:04:38 <RodgerTheGreat> kulp: what's up with you?
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17:05:12 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: cool, glad to hear ! hope you're out of the woods for real !
17:05:46 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: finally got my CPU logic bug-free for a whole day ! and running at 40MHz (10MIPS) on hardware, so that was a nice milestone. actually coding at work for once, makes a change
17:06:04 <kulp> trying to get back into flying to punch through and get my license, but now of course we get snowstorms ...
17:06:10 <kulp> you guys getting snow in michigan too ?
17:06:27 <RodgerTheGreat> currently we are having a heat wave
17:06:29 <kulp> hah
17:06:34 <kulp> well we're sending over thundersnow
17:06:36 <kulp> so watch out
17:06:39 <RodgerTheGreat> my thermometer says 30F
17:07:11 <RodgerTheGreat> when it blizzards here we get these crazy inch-wide raggedy snowflakes
17:07:54 <RodgerTheGreat> snowclumps
17:09:55 <RodgerTheGreat> this weekend I am organizing an AI programming competition
17:10:02 <RodgerTheGreat> 176 people are registered
17:10:11 <RodgerTheGreat> I haven't slept properly in days
17:10:58 <kulp> oof
17:11:00 <RodgerTheGreat> at this very moment I am actually procrastinating with respect to the slide deck I need to make for the opening ceremony where I explain the game everyone's programs will be playing
17:11:06 <kulp> haha
17:11:15 <kulp> well if you don't procrastinate, there won't be enough pressure for you to do it well !
17:11:19 * kulp HALPS
17:11:40 <RodgerTheGreat> the game is a secret but I can tell you it involves ducks
17:11:50 <_spt_> good night guys , been called out have a server gone down ..
17:11:59 <RodgerTheGreat> in fact I did a comic which explains the setting
17:12:01 <RodgerTheGreat> http://bonzai.cs.mtu.edu/content/img/2013_comic_page1.png
17:12:06 <RodgerTheGreat> http://bonzai.cs.mtu.edu/content/img/2013_comic_page2.png
17:12:16 <kulp> nice art !
17:12:35 <kulp> WHERE IS PAGE 3
17:12:40 <kulp> I DEMAND PAGES 3 THROUGH 600
17:12:42 <kulp> NAO
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17:12:49 <RodgerTheGreat> tough shit dude
17:13:29 <kulp> :'(
17:16:43 <kulp> hehe well anyway i have to get back to work
17:16:48 <kulp> work on your slide deck !
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18:55:36 <dessos> STEROID HERO
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19:03:10 <dessos> DESU
19:03:13 <dessos> DESU
19:03:14 <dessos> DESU
19:03:15 <dessos> DESU
19:03:17 <dessos> DESU
19:03:19 <dessos> TESTU
19:03:21 <dessos> HERRO
19:05:08 <RodgerTheGreat> dessos: uhh
19:05:56 <dessos> uh
19:05:58 <dessos> sorry
19:06:04 <dessos> wrong channel
19:06:28 <dessos> wrong window anyway
19:07:09 <RodgerTheGreat> ok then
19:07:24 <dessos> embarrassing
19:07:47 <kulp> pray continue
19:07:58 <kulp> and it's TESUTO anyway
19:08:06 <kulp> ;)
19:08:18 <dessos> kaneda
19:08:26 <dessos> !!
19:10:17 <RodgerTheGreat> kulp: I finished my slide deck
19:11:06 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: \o/
19:11:13 <kulp> RodgerTheGreat: now what are you procrastinating on ?
19:11:18 <RodgerTheGreat> um
19:11:22 <RodgerTheGreat> I dunno sleep I guess
19:12:36 <kulp> http://www.structuredprocrastination.com/
19:12:43 <kulp> former coworker sent me that once
19:12:47 <kulp> not that i've followed it at all
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19:59:23 <tangentstorm> is it an AI game about ducks eating worms and falling in love?
20:00:58 <segher> that's a great idea!  modern ai can handle worms, and certainly ducks
20:01:16 <segher> on the other hand, it might not be such an interesting game :-P
20:01:18 <RodgerTheGreat> it's a game about rival teams of duck farmers herding their ducks
20:02:41 <tangentstorm> you're quite the artist, RodgerTheGreat
20:02:49 <RodgerTheGreat> thanks
20:03:00 <tangentstorm> We knew you were good with pixels :)
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20:04:43 <RodgerTheGreat> in general I find my code much more satisfying, but it's a lot harder to share
20:16:06 <tangentstorm> hence games? :)
20:16:42 <RodgerTheGreat> well, my games are pretty inaccessible
20:17:02 <tangentstorm> partially because they're not on the web yet :)
20:17:18 <tangentstorm> chrome doesn't even ship with java anymore
20:17:29 <RodgerTheGreat> the web is a fad
20:17:54 <RodgerTheGreat> people don't even really want websites they just want information or pictures of cats
20:18:05 <RodgerTheGreat> eventually there will just be apps for everything
20:18:44 <RodgerTheGreat> and physical keyboards will be but a tearful memory
20:18:50 <RodgerTheGreat> or something that nerds own
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20:29:27 <tangentstorm> that wouldn't surprise me.
20:29:42 * tangentstorm would much prefer a pen.
20:31:29 <dto> hello.
20:31:53 <tangentstorm> hey dto ... how are things?
20:32:04 <dto> good! just hacking on the color-blind mode for 2x0ng
20:32:06 <dto> how about you ?
20:39:05 <tangentstorm> my last major accomplishment was to draw a circle :)
20:39:09 <RodgerTheGreat> oh hey check this out: https://github.com/malyn/MFORTH
20:39:20 <tangentstorm> is 2x0ng your game?
20:39:27 <dto> tangentstorm: yep.
20:39:31 <dto> hi RodgerTheGreat 
20:39:32 <tangentstorm> i liked your little computer voices
20:39:40 <RodgerTheGreat> hi dto
20:39:48 <dto> wow, forth on tandy 100
20:40:18 * tangentstorm tries to reconcile TRS-80 with "laptop"
20:40:40 <RodgerTheGreat> slabtop
20:40:40 <dto> tangentstorm: i dunno if i mentioned this in my tiredness, but . 2x0ng got some awesome coverage lately
20:40:54 <RodgerTheGreat> the model 100 had a really nice keyboard
20:41:08 <dto> http://oldcomputers.net/trs100.html
20:41:19 <tangentstorm> oh interesting.
20:41:31 <tangentstorm> what sot of coverage?
20:41:46 <tangentstorm> http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.pc-history.org/TRS80mod3.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.pc-history.org/tandymod3.htm&h=492&w=680&sz=214&tbnid=3A5g1-vR8WenbM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=128&zoom=1&usg=__Kj7NPVuaHPNnKZ_ddbfNDnXPorI=&docid=duT6nK6n_qLdfM&sa=X&ei=W4JnUfv3L8TqyQGQjYGIDg&ved=0CGAQ9QEwAw&dur=850 
20:41:48 <tangentstorm> ick
20:41:49 <dto> http://oldcomputers.net/trs200.html  oh i like the 200! cute!
20:41:56 <tangentstorm> http://www.pc-history.org/tandymod3.htm
20:42:01 <tangentstorm> ^ we had these in school
20:42:24 <tangentstorm> or something very much like it. i think this is a black and white picture. the screen i remember was cyan/blue.
20:42:32 <RodgerTheGreat> https://github.com/malyn/MFORTH#multitasker <- this feature owns
20:43:14 <dto> tangentstorm: articles and/or reviews Gaming On Linux, Indie Impressions, Tigsource, IndieStatik, FreeIndieGam.es, RockPaperShotgun, FreeGamer, a polish-language gaming site, a german-language linux site, metafilter, etc etc etc
20:43:41 <dto>  it was a pretty exciting week.
20:44:30 <tangentstorm> congratulations. did you plan a media blitz, or did it just happen?
20:44:36 <dto> uh
20:44:59 <dto> i planned it but it just ended up being way way bigger than i thought
20:45:31 <dto> also it depended on some editors having played the orignial Xong , and that's sort of how it burst out wider
20:46:07 <dto> xong was my only name-recognition, so i knew i had to make a cool sequel
20:46:09 <dto> :)
20:46:32 <dto> RodgerTheGreat: you should totally release an indie game pack like a double cartridge  :)
20:46:49 <dto> Yar on one side, Deep on other
20:47:08 <RodgerTheGreat> I have a vague idea of trying to do an ouya game
20:47:18 <RodgerTheGreat> just for the hell of it
20:47:19 <dto> ah. java. yeah i bet you could
20:47:25 <dto> doooooo eeeeet
20:47:36 <RodgerTheGreat> I already have an android mako runtime
20:47:49 <dto> nice.
20:47:51 <RodgerTheGreat> maybe in a few weeks when I'm not nuts busy
20:48:02 <RodgerTheGreat> "makoid", naturally
20:48:05 <dto> honestly i think your stuff would totally have an audience
20:48:34 <RodgerTheGreat> maybe
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20:49:30 <tangentstorm> me too
20:49:36 <tangentstorm> me to think that
20:49:49 <tangentstorm> can't even type my fake english... nice.
20:51:25 <dto> your graphics are much better than many indie games too.
20:55:54 <RodgerTheGreat> they're ok I guess
21:00:37 <RodgerTheGreat> I should try to sleep
21:00:42 <RodgerTheGreat> good night folks
21:00:55 <dto> good night RodgerTheGreat 
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21:13:36 <tangentstorm> night
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21:45:36 <tangentstorm> you sure did get a lot of coverage there, dto :)
21:46:34 <dto> yes tangentstorm :)
21:47:49 <tangentstorm> congrats :)
21:48:26 <tangentstorm> i still haven't actually played it.
21:48:56 <tangentstorm> i don't remember what happened. will try again now though.
21:50:41 <dto> whats your OS?
21:53:44 <tangentstorm> i'm on kubuntu / x86_64
21:54:06 <tangentstorm> oh but nothing works here so i'm trying it on my laptop
21:54:16 <tangentstorm> win7 :)
21:54:47 <dto> make sure to download the newest, http://blocky.io/2x0ng-win32-1.0rc1c.zip
22:05:20 <tangentstorm> ah yeah. now i remembered what happened. 
22:05:22 <tangentstorm> :)
22:05:31 <tangentstorm> actually ran this time though
22:05:42 <tangentstorm> i will try the 64-bit version for windows next
22:06:02 <tangentstorm> locked up. it's playing music but the game is frozen and there's a lisp exception
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22:06:30 <tangentstorm> EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
22:06:37 <tangentstorm> ("bogus stack frame")
22:07:53 <tangentstorm> had to quit
22:08:13 <tangentstorm> the few minutes i got to play it were pretty cool though ;D
22:13:32 <dto> :(
22:13:46 <dto> that's in the 1.0rc1c?
22:13:50 <dto> not 1.0rc1
22:15:01 <tangentstorm> umm
22:15:05 <tangentstorm> let me look again
22:15:42 <tangentstorm> i suck
22:15:51 <tangentstorm> i just got the version off your site
22:16:02 <tangentstorm> couldn't cut and paste because it was to a different machine
22:16:19 <dto> well which zip file do you have
22:16:29 <dto> the webpage links to 1.0rc1c as well
22:16:50 <dto> :)
22:17:18 <tangentstorm> i went to blocky.io/2x0ng.html
22:17:29 <tangentstorm> it links to the 1.0rc1 versions
22:18:16 <tangentstorm> oh i see, it links to both
22:18:34 <tangentstorm> but the message said to try the 64-bit if the 32-bit didn't work so i downloaded the 32-bit
22:18:35 <dto> i'll prob remove the first link
22:18:40 <dto> yeah
22:18:45 <dto> thats dumb. i'll fix it
22:19:10 <tangentstorm> gah i can't use that  machine anymore
22:19:42 <tangentstorm> it overheated a while back... i took it apart and cleaned out the fan and all but it makes this awful smell
22:19:47 <tangentstorm> need to replace the thermal paste
22:21:31 <dto> oh man
22:21:55 <dto> will the 32 bit Windows version work on Wine for you? 
22:21:57 <dto> it should
22:24:22 <tangentstorm> dunno. never used wine. will try
22:24:57 <tangentstorm> downloading 437 mb of stuff for wine now :)
22:26:25 <dto> haha
22:26:29 <dto> it should work
22:26:32 <dto> :)
22:26:47 <dto> i implemented a rough draft of the color blindness code today
22:27:00 <dto> http://imgur.com/a/098zC
22:27:51 <yunfan> android mako runtime?
22:31:27 <tangentstorm> oh that's clever
22:32:14 <dto> a color blind user suggested the hash patterns and colors. i implemented it today
22:32:22 <dto> yunfan: apparently. but he's asleep now
22:44:37 <dto> tangentstorm: any luck?
22:45:21 <tangentstorm> just got wine to install... also i'm juggling like 10 things
22:47:33 <dto> oh haha. sorry
23:07:19 <yunfan> so i am wonder if it could support onboard programming
23:07:31 <yunfan> dto: just like qurtusforth on palm
23:09:03 <dto> i bet it would
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23:14:04 <yunfan> tangentstorm: have checked stutsk , just thought its unuseful of that ifelse words
23:14:40 <yunfan> tangentstorm: you could try a longjing kernel which is like wine api on kernel
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23:51:11 <dto> tangentstorm: sorry, was hacking and forgot to turn irc back on
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