00:00:00 --- log: started forth/13.03.01 00:02:41 tangentwork: by vm in vm , isnt that abode's avm2? they have a small forth vm inside for building itself 00:03:15 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 00:19:18 hmmm 00:19:32 hi. 00:23:57 yunfan: i haven't seen that, and google's not turning much up. you're talking about the old flash player right? 00:24:07 hey dto 00:24:31 tangentwork: yep, 00:24:57 hmmm... http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2008/05/extending-tamarin-tracing-with-forth.html 00:25:14 --- join: cataska (~user@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 00:26:39 actually i want to use forth in mobile dev for developing small tool on board 00:27:19 and some other place like redis which current using lua as the embed lang for complex query 00:28:18 i would like to have a better forth for my phone. 00:28:58 there are a couple for android... 00:29:12 yes 00:29:20 there're 2 in play store 00:29:38 yunfan: yeah... i've tried both 00:29:51 retro and ... i forget the other one 00:30:02 one is leo forth which is complete 00:30:10 but not practical 00:30:46 another is android forth which is practical but not complete 00:31:50 and both them didnt consider the specific input device of the most mobile phone 00:32:17 :D 00:32:22 tangentwork: retro's android version is just a wrapper which contain a webkit 00:32:46 yeah. it's also way out of date 00:33:08 tangentwork: i asked in stackoverflow and describe my requirement 00:35:07 did anybody suggest something else? 00:35:23 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8465584/is-there-any-real-on-device-developing-tools-on-android tangentwork check this 00:36:32 tangentwork: for touchscreen input and forth's special i think it would be helpful to show user the current word in a TRIE tree 00:37:24 --- quit: cataska (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 00:37:55 so after you input about 2-3 characters hardly with your soft keyboard, the auto complete system could help you complete the rest work 00:40:13 that would be nice :) 00:40:24 --- join: cataska (~user@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 00:41:36 this tamarin forth is cool but it's not what i'm trying to do 00:42:34 i want to basically build this up from machine code 00:42:51 (for an already very forth-like machine) 00:43:11 for android you could using NDK for implement the forth vm in native code 00:44:19 yeah. i have a free pascal implementation of ngaro, and freepascal can compile to android (i believe both by compiling to the jvm and also directly to at least some of the chips) 00:44:47 oh also there's the c version :D 00:45:36 i don't think anyone's tried to do it though. it would still require writing devices for the keyboard input, canvas, etc 00:47:14 well , i dont think those people would use android forth to wrote complex tools, but for simple tools like a calculator, todo list, which dont require full features support 00:48:24 i once asked my workmate to dev a small tool for generating my gmail word, which is only 2 input and 1 output, but the compiled apk is not so small :[ 00:50:44 another question is since abode use forth inside there big project, why not people talk it? 00:51:50 http://processing.org/ compiles to adroid if you use version 2 (dev version). it's not small either but it's good at putting graphics on the screen 00:52:17 and so does carrieriQ , if i was the owner of FIG's website, i would use it as a example this is more cool than bios firmware although its a positive example 00:52:50 but if even evil guys choose it, its simple proved that it really has supper power 00:54:14 i don't know why people don't talk about it. maybe the same reason as pascal... microsoft took over and only c was left :) 00:54:27 there's a cool stafff named IBNIZ 00:54:31 and then java and javascript 00:55:00 its just strange 00:55:37 but the carrieriq really inspired me, i have talk to my leader about using forth in our mobile SDK 00:55:41 i will have to check it out in the morning. i'm about to fall asleep here i think 00:55:48 :) 00:55:54 aha, i forgot the time 00:56:01 let us know how it goes! 00:56:06 its 16:55 at my location 00:56:10 i keep weird hours 00:56:24 have a good rest of the day then! seeya 00:56:29 --- nick: tangentwork -> tangentsleep 00:56:32 see you 01:12:10 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@195.206.224.58) joined #forth 01:22:35 --- quit: dto (Remote host closed the connection) 01:26:09 --- join: dto (~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 01:33:00 --- quit: dto (Remote host closed the connection) 01:33:27 --- join: dto (~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 02:47:44 " 550 // TODO - factor this into forth. it is not re-entrant " http://hg.mozilla.org/tamarin-tracing/file/3f98dcd4a920/core/AvmCore.cpp 02:56:07 --- quit: dto (Remote host closed the connection) 03:01:05 --- join: nighty-__ (~nighty@TOROON12-1279662182.sdsl.bell.ca) joined #forth 03:01:25 --- quit: clog (^C) 03:01:25 --- log: stopped forth/13.03.01 03:01:40 --- log: started forth/13.03.01 03:01:40 --- join: clog (~nef@bespin.org) joined #forth 03:01:40 --- topic: 'Forth Programming | logged by clog at http://bit.ly/91toWN | links: qr.net/gforth isforth.com forthfreak.net qr.net/ans_standard | Buy forth chips from www.greenarraychips.com' 03:01:40 --- topic: set by foucist!~foucist@ps14150.dreamhost.com on [Thu Apr 26 19:32:21 2012] 03:01:40 --- names: list (clog nighty-__ epicmonkey cataska lazyden ASau impomatic nighty-_ tangentsleep djinni backer Eth|cal schmx obobo nighty^ malyn nighty- kulp yunfan Nisstyre bjorkintosh karswell yiyus nottwo dessos jevin TodPunk koisoke segher ttmrichter dTal carc crcx dzho newcup Adeon) 03:02:45 --- quit: nighty-__ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:03:08 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 03:06:23 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@68.179.124.161) joined #forth 03:27:42 --- join: tgunr (~davec@cust-66-249-166-11.static.o1.com) joined #forth 03:57:30 --- join: protist (~protist@10.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 03:58:42 --- quit: protist (Client Quit) 03:59:11 --- join: protist (~protist@10.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 04:00:08 --- quit: lazyden (Quit: lazyden) 04:29:51 --- quit: tgunr (Quit: I'm outta here) 04:33:10 --- join: tgunr (~davec@66.249.166.11) joined #forth 05:03:53 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 05:10:30 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@tin51-1-82-226-147-104.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 06:57:26 has anyone found a workaround for `see' not working properly for low level words in gforth on some linux distros? 06:57:57 on debian it was fine...on openSUSE it freezes the interpretter 07:05:35 --- join: zhengbi (1000@128.119.143.201) joined #forth 07:18:11 protist: I think this is something that happens on x86_64. 07:37:50 i was running 64 bit debian before, i believe 07:44:52 --- quit: yunfan (*.net *.split) 07:45:44 --- join: yunfan (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 07:48:23 --- nick: tangentsleep -> tangentstorm 08:18:58 protist: Interesting. From what I remember it only occurs on x86_64 gforth. Perhaps you were running a 32bit gforth on x86_64 ? 08:19:16 Anyway no idea of a fix. 08:19:57 maybe it was a 32bit forth...but that would be weird because `see' always showed 64bit asm 08:20:27 Hmm.. Well I could be mistaken, of course. :) 08:20:41 as could i :) 08:21:14 all i know for sure is i am having difficulties on the 64bit openSUSE 12.2 08:21:23 i think i am using a 64bit gforth 08:22:31 I remember that thing. It's so annoying. It just freezes completely. 08:28:12 --- join: Tod-Work (~thansmann@host-25.pl1071005.fiber.net) joined #forth 09:00:53 the command "file /path/to/gforth" may tell you if it's 32 or 64-bit 09:02:12 --- join: dto (~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 09:43:45 --- join: kumul (~mool@76.26.237.95) joined #forth 10:07:40 --- quit: dto (Remote host closed the connection) 10:11:05 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 10:12:54 --- join: dto (~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 10:14:56 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:30:55 --- join: kumul (~mool@c-76-26-237-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:39:35 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 10:40:38 --- quit: protist (Quit: Konversation terminated!) 11:08:15 --- quit: zhengbi (Quit: Changing server) 11:08:21 --- join: zhengbi (1000@librsci007.ddns.umass.edu) joined #forth 11:09:20 --- quit: Tod-Work (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:09:45 --- join: Tod-Work (~thansmann@host-25.pl1071005.fiber.net) joined #forth 11:18:45 --- join: kbmaniac (~kbmaniac@host81-129-253-126.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 11:22:26 --- part: zhengbi left #forth 11:25:44 --- quit: Nisstyre (Quit: Leaving) 12:16:02 --- join: JDat (JDat@89.248.91.5) joined #forth 12:32:50 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@71-13-215-142.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined #forth 12:36:45 --- quit: kbmaniac (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 12:59:03 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@188.134.41.176) joined #forth 13:25:31 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 13:31:35 --- quit: dto (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:41:15 --- join: Onionnion (~ryan@adsl-68-254-172-172.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 15:17:56 --- join: kumul (~mool@c-76-26-237-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 15:21:55 --- join: dto (~user@pool-96-252-62-13.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 15:25:49 --- quit: tgunr (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:26:56 --- join: tgunr (~davec@cust-66-249-166-11.static.o1.com) joined #forth 15:34:14 --- join: Nisstyre-laptop (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 15:37:15 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:41:50 --- quit: tangentstorm (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 15:43:06 --- join: tangentstorm (~michal@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 16:05:31 --- quit: Tod-Work (Quit: Leaving) 16:06:13 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@98.195.26.149) joined #forth 16:14:57 --- join: lazyden (~lazyden@58.185.121.38) joined #forth 16:15:24 --- quit: JDat () 16:16:53 --- quit: tgunr (Quit: Nity nite) 16:27:28 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 16:29:49 RodgerTheGreat, tangentstorm : hey. 16:29:56 hi dto 16:30:07 i got properly working linux and windows binaries for my game ive been blabbing about. wanna give it a shot? 16:30:13 are you doing ok RodgerTheGreat 16:30:26 pondering dinner 16:30:46 if you drop a link I will try it later 16:30:56 sure! 16:31:08 got a discussion thread here, no real page yet http://forums.tigsource.com/index.php?topic=31918.0 16:31:46 oh wait you don't have an OSX binary yet 16:31:59 I use macs 16:37:09 oh i forgot./ 16:37:27 You should tell that to the Most True Forth lover here. 16:37:36 Somehow his the most portable forth implementation is linux-only. 16:44:08 dto: i will check it out when i get on my other computer later. congrats!! :) 16:46:09 --- join: kumul (~mool@c-76-26-237-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 17:12:53 --- quit: kumul (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 17:25:28 --- quit: nighty-_ (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 18:13:54 --- join: kumul (~mool@c-76-26-237-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 18:37:15 --- join: sw2wolf (~czsq888@118.112.158.139) joined #forth 19:11:30 --- quit: kumul (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:11:55 --- join: kumul (~mool@c-76-26-237-95.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined #forth 19:55:18 --- join: jdavidboyd (~user@72.185.97.240) joined #forth 20:17:03 dto: it's later... just downloaded your game and am unpacking it now. 20:18:38 tangentstorm: what platform? 20:18:45 welcomeback tangentstorm 20:18:46 :) 20:21:06 --- join: tgunr (~davec@cust-66-249-166-11.static.o1.com) joined #forth 20:24:21 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Quit: RodgerTheGreat) 20:28:32 im on kubuntu 20:28:38 64bit 20:29:24 you will prob need to install the IA-32 versions of the SDL libs 20:29:27 from your distro 20:30:06 ok 20:34:23 --- quit: tgunr (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 20:38:31 --- join: tgunr (~davec@cust-66-249-166-11.static.o1.com) joined #forth 20:39:27 i'll be here, intermittently, to help with issues/feedback 20:44:45 tangentstorm: any luck? 20:46:36 if you count accidentally kicking my power cord luck 20:47:04 oh 20:47:06 :! 20:58:35 dto: how do i get out of this debugger thing? 20:59:30 --- quit: Onionnion (Quit: Leaving) 20:59:53 control G 21:01:05 thanks 21:01:46 doesn't work 21:02:00 but if i keep mashing keys i get out of it eventually. 21:02:07 it can't see the libsdl i just installed 21:05:00 oh 21:05:09 does it present some restart options like ABORT CONTINUE? 21:05:11 try CONTINUE 21:05:26 (type the number corresponding to it, then press return) 21:05:41 does the game work at all? 21:07:07 not yet. all i get is the debugger... looking at the available sdl packages 21:19:57 --- quit: jdavidboyd (Remote host closed the connection) 21:29:48 argh... i'm just fighting packages now. i'll try the windows version tomorrow, dto. i need to get back to work. sorry. :/ 21:30:06 sorry. 21:30:13 thanks for trying tho 21:30:16 i'll be around 21:30:34 maybe i can try recompiling it for 64-bit sbcl or something tomorrow 21:31:14 sure. the build instructions are in INSTALL 21:44:06 --- quit: kumul (Quit: Leaving) 22:16:19 --- quit: dto (Remote host closed the connection) 22:46:55 --- join: rixard (~rixard@81-235-139-119-no63.tbcn.telia.com) joined #forth 23:22:40 --- join: protist (~protist@190.224.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) joined #forth 23:43:45 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@188.134.41.176) joined #forth 23:59:23 --- quit: protist (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/13.03.01