00:00:00 --- log: started forth/12.10.08 01:28:14 --- quit: Nisstyre-laptop (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:47:23 --- join: DGASAU (~user@91.218.144.129) joined #forth 01:47:23 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DGASAU 01:51:35 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@91-119-69-13.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #forth 01:51:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 02:53:51 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 02:53:51 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ncv 04:26:31 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@188.134.41.171) joined #forth 04:26:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +v epicmonkey 04:28:29 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:25:35 --- join: steampunkey (4e868a9d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.134.138.157) joined #forth 06:25:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +v steampunkey 07:59:01 --- quit: obobo (Remote host closed the connection) 08:14:52 --- quit: DGASAU (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:24:54 --- join: DGASAU (~user@91.218.144.129) joined #forth 08:24:54 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DGASAU 08:27:52 who'd like to offer an interactive forth tutorial? :-) 08:28:24 meh, nvm 09:03:35 --- join: ncv (~quassel@89.123.22.68) joined #forth 09:03:35 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 09:03:35 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 09:03:35 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ncv 09:10:41 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 09:10:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +v MayDaniel 09:27:26 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-dsl-pt-76-75-103-171.nexicom.net) joined #forth 09:27:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 09:31:28 --- quit: obobo (Client Quit) 09:31:58 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-dsl-pt-76-75-103-171.nexicom.net) joined #forth 09:31:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 09:52:20 --- quit: steampunkey (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:56:10 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10:09:52 --- join: ncv (~quassel@89.123.22.68) joined #forth 10:09:52 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 10:09:53 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 10:09:53 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ncv 10:18:23 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 12:00:55 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 12:10:39 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@71-13-215-128.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined #forth 12:10:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +v RodgerTheGreat 12:58:49 --- join: Onionnion|Eee (~ryan@adsl-68-254-173-230.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 12:58:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion|Eee 13:47:30 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:59:37 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:03:39 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 14:03:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +v MayDaniel 14:31:13 --- join: ASau (~user@95-24-181-228.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 14:31:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ASau 15:04:44 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:09:30 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 15:09:56 --- join: kumul (~kumul@cvx-ppp-66-50-130-239.coqui.net) joined #forth 15:09:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +v kumul 15:52:37 --- join: Nisstyre-laptop (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 15:52:37 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Nisstyre-laptop 15:55:32 --- quit: Onionnion|Eee (Remote host closed the connection) 15:59:40 --- join: black_13 (a3b5fb67@gateway/web/freenode/ip.163.181.251.103) joined #forth 15:59:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +v black_13 16:00:00 could someone suggest a forth for linux? 16:01:45 gforth works well on OSX 16:01:54 I imagine it would work well on linux as well 16:02:31 --- quit: obobo (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 16:03:05 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-dsl-pt-76-75-103-171.nexicom.net) joined #forth 16:03:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 16:05:08 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@91-119-69-13.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #forth 16:05:08 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 16:05:17 if only i could get it to compile 16:05:23 all the way that is 16:06:32 black_13: JFYI, using apforth instead of pforth has advantage of running into less bugs. 16:07:43 (It is also a bit faster.) 16:08:48 thanks 16:09:22 i keep working on the short manual for uforth 16:11:11 i have been thinking some of the forths take the meta could to create a dictionary and the forth has a part of itself to interpret such could you instead have a forth the just reads precompiled metacod? 16:11:28 in order to shrink the size of the vm/interpreter 16:11:52 or even compress the compiled metacode? 16:12:47 That's hard to parse. 16:12:52 What do you mean exactly? 16:13:40 I have to put the all of forth i am working on in a MSP430G2553 16:14:12 the other thing i wondered aobut was compressing the start up code 16:14:17 the .f files 16:14:27 Like FICL? 16:14:32 does it do that 16:14:39 It can. 16:14:41 * ASau shrugs. 16:14:50 i looked at ficle but it was goofy 16:15:29 It has LZ codec. 16:16:29 the code for the code may offset any compression 16:16:46 for the codec i mean 16:18:11 not sure how well bytecode will compress to begin with 16:18:30 if it contains a lot of repetition I'd assume that meant it was poorly factored 16:18:34 the original text wold probably compress much better 16:18:42 hm 16:18:56 or could be stored on on prom 16:19:17 You're definitly wrong. 16:19:32 Byte code can be easily compressed. 16:19:48 Go and read about Huffman coding. 16:20:13 i thought about Huffman coding 16:20:28 sorry guys i need to have more general experience 16:21:00 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 16:21:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ncv 16:21:31 (It is rather easy to find measurements of frequencies of primitive operations in Forth.) 16:22:55 that's true 16:23:32 ASau: had you compiled from source apforth? 16:23:56 although the instructions you'd expect to see most often (call and const) are parameterized, and their arguments would be less amenable to huffman encoding than the instructions themselves 16:25:22 black_13: ? 16:25:33 RodgerTheGreat: parameters do not belong to opcode. 16:25:58 ASau: i had tried to compile apforth on opensuse 11 16:26:03 And? 16:26:26 i seem to be missing sys/param.h 16:26:51 Which version, first of all. 16:27:16 suse or apforth? 16:27:36 actually it is present in /usr/include/sys/param.h 16:27:38 odd 16:27:47 apforth, of course. 16:28:21 apforth-0.10 16:28:33 Good. 16:29:05 Paste your sys/param.h somewhere. 16:30:00 Alright, I see problem. 16:30:21 You've got to show your sys/param.h :) 16:31:11 http://codepaste.net/j297s9 16:31:37 ASau: show my param but we just met! 16:32:13 sorry 16:33:02 echo '#include ' | cpp -dM - 16:33:12 Paste the result of that command. 16:36:36 http://codepaste.net/mzsu9a 16:36:43 ASau: need trick 16:36:47 neet trick 16:38:53 In csrc/pf_save.h drop leading underscore in "_BYTE_ORDER", "_BIG_ENDIAN", "_LITTLE_ENDIAN". 16:40:09 --- quit: ncv (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:40:44 here is the make file issue http://codepaste.net/k2o78a 16:42:04 It isn't "make file issue." 16:42:15 --- quit: obobo (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 16:42:15 Have you adjusted csrc/pf_save.h? 16:43:24 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-dsl-pt-76-75-103-171.nexicom.net) joined #forth 16:43:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 16:44:09 your the man 16:45:37 ASau: are you a maintainer of that apforth code? 16:57:22 --- part: tangentstorm left #forth 17:20:14 --- quit: obobo (Remote host closed the connection) 17:31:21 --- join: Onionnion (~ryan@adsl-68-254-173-230.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 17:31:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion 17:37:38 --- quit: black_13 (Quit: Page closed) 17:38:40 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-dsl-pt-76-75-103-171.nexicom.net) joined #forth 17:38:40 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 17:53:41 --- join: elkng (~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng) joined #forth 17:53:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +v elkng 17:59:25 does anybody said something there sometimes ? 18:01:03 what? 18:02:16 at last 18:03:34 yes 18:19:42 --- quit: Nisstyre-laptop (Quit: Leaving) 18:27:47 --- join: Onionnion|Eee (~ryan@adsl-68-254-173-230.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 18:27:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion|Eee 19:28:10 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 20:18:05 --- join: Nisstyre-laptop (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 20:18:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Nisstyre-laptop 20:29:34 --- join: black_13 (467c40e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.70.124.64.229) joined #forth 20:29:34 --- mode: ChanServ set +v black_13 20:30:41 the bad sleep well 20:31:30 is that a metaphor? 20:31:38 its a movie 20:31:50 I am not familiar with it 20:35:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Sleep_Well 20:57:44 --- quit: elkng (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 21:04:23 akira kurosawa + toshiro mifune = sold 21:07:11 ha 21:07:46 i was lucky enough to see the movie in a theater about 8 years ago along with man of the samurai epics 21:07:57 and ikuru 21:09:28 what does the word 0SP do does it clear the stack 21:12:48 dont know 21:13:13 whats man of the samurai? 21:18:25 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Quit: RodgerTheGreat) 21:23:07 --- quit: black_13 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:18:08 --- quit: Onionnion|Eee (Quit: Leaving) 22:34:31 --- join: elkng (~elkng@unaffiliated/elkng) joined #forth 22:34:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +v elkng 22:49:31 --- quit: kumul (Quit: good luck) 22:50:29 --- quit: elkng (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 22:52:10 --- join: ncv (~quassel@89.123.22.68) joined #forth 22:52:10 --- quit: ncv (Changing host) 22:52:10 --- join: ncv (~quassel@unaffiliated/neceve) joined #forth 22:52:10 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ncv 23:05:27 --- quit: Nisstyre-laptop (Quit: Leaving) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/12.10.08