00:00:00 --- log: started forth/12.07.31 00:26:03 --- quit: epicmonkey (Read error: Operation timed out) 00:33:56 --- join: NeuroHacker (~ninja@178.122.45.221) joined #forth 00:33:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +v NeuroHacker 00:38:56 --- quit: NeuroHacker (Remote host closed the connection) 01:16:27 hi, anyone could recommend me some documents about the forth impl details? like ITC/DTC 01:33:58 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net) joined #forth 01:33:58 --- mode: ChanServ set +v epicmonkey 03:52:47 Why do you need it again? 04:02:04 jyfl987: Let me see if I can dig up the web page that does a decent job of explaining this stuff. 04:03:01 Ah, here it is. 04:03:04 jyfl987: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/threaded-code.html 04:06:03 ttmrichter: i dont need a page to describe the term like wiki, i need some documents like a book or a chapter of a book to talk about it 04:06:16 Did you read the page? 04:06:43 ttmrichter: not yet 04:07:13 now reading 04:08:03 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 04:08:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +v MayDaniel 04:09:19 If that page doesn't give you enough detail, it refers you to http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/moving1.htm which offers more. 04:10:01 ttmrichter: ok ,very thanks, and is there any forth implement by compilation into a ast? 04:10:53 It's hard to have an abstract syntax tree for a language which has effectively no syntax. So, no, I've never heard of such. Maybe someone's made one somewhere, but I've never seen nor heard of it. 04:11:49 ok, what do you use forth for? 04:18:37 Now? Nothing but fond memories. I used to use it to explore new computers' hardware (hobby) and for embedded work on telephone interface cards (professional). 04:57:24 ttmrichter: which telephone interface cards? do you mean like sim card? 05:01:18 jyfl987: No, I mean like cards that went in PCs and interfaced with telephone systems. The big player in the field at the time was Dialogic, but I worked for small fry. 05:02:19 The big card I worked on had 4 DSPs and an HC11 microcontroller. The DSPs had their own wizard working on their contents and the HC11 was used to control the switching which is where I came in with Forth. 05:13:15 ttmrichter: so you dont coding nowadays? 05:13:34 I quit the industry 11 years ago. 05:13:42 I code for fun, now, instead of for making other people wealthy. 05:14:12 ttmrichter: then why you still here? 05:14:18 i mean this channel 05:14:21 I code for fun, now, instead of for making other people wealthy. (repost) 05:15:12 i am sorry, i might not familliar with some english words' meaning 05:15:52 ttmrichter: what do you live on? i mean earn money or kill time 05:16:14 I teach now. 05:16:29 at school or college? 05:16:35 univercity? 05:18:00 Right now in a technical ... well, the term doesn't translate well. Call it "institute". 05:18:16 Hubei Communication Technical College/Institute. 05:18:28 ttmrichter: what!! 05:18:35 (The actual term is 学院 and doesn't translate well.) 05:18:41 ttmrichter: i remember you seems told me you came to china 05:18:50 I am in China, yes. :) 05:19:08 ttmrichter: are you chinese or laowai :] 05:19:13 I'm guessing someone surnamed Jiang is also from or in China. :) 05:19:25 我是外国人 05:19:31 of course my familly name is Jiang 05:20:11 ttmrichter: so which course do you teach ? english or coding? 05:20:36 English. Various kinds of technical English over the years. 05:20:39 most chinese institute just got a whatever foreighor to tech english 05:21:42 ttmrichter: i just wonder why you choose this, i am also like to be a teacher, but the salary couldnt support a good life 05:22:07 its very fortune that i also like coding :] 05:23:27 English for tourism, English for business, English for education, English for medicine, English for computing, etc. 05:23:42 Right now I'm doing an IELTs preparation course and English for business. 05:23:57 And on the side I'm tutoring some bright kids. (Who I'm teaching Prolog to.) 05:24:13 oop , IELT, i got to know, its the crash course 05:24:25 sorry, its cash not crash 05:24:48 my english even didt support me to pass the level 4 :] 05:26:04 ttmrichter: chinese kids? the student in the institude or via internet? 05:32:00 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 05:32:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 05:32:46 The IELTS prep course I teach is a full year, 30 hours per week. 05:32:54 It's not a crash course at all. :) 05:33:16 It's a real IELTS prep course, not one of the millions of fake "WE WILL RAISE YOUR IELTS SCORE TO 7 IN SIX WEEKS!" crap ones. 05:33:26 yep, its a cash course, english teching is a huge marketing in china 05:33:41 The students for my IELTS and my business classes are in the institute, yes. 05:33:51 My Prolog students are private. 05:34:09 so you still in technical domain 05:34:39 Yeah. 05:35:04 that's good, it would be a pity if you just going to teach english only 05:35:40 i found many old thoughts/design/scheme is very useful nowadays 05:35:56 and so dose hareware design to software coding 05:36:29 like the pipeline design on morden cpu 06:58:12 --- join: obobo (~chatzilla@dyn-wl-nw-76-75-99-220.nexicom.net) joined #forth 06:58:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +v obobo 07:05:21 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 07:05:26 --- mode: ChanServ set +v nighty- 07:42:09 hello, parallel port access from gforth. experience? simplest route? 07:50:05 appreciated 08:20:05 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 08:48:06 --- join: anotherone (bd201b5e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.32.27.94) joined #forth 08:48:06 --- mode: ChanServ set +v anotherone 08:50:34 --- quit: remyhr (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 08:54:36 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@cvx-ppp-66-50-52-16.coqui.net) joined #forth 08:54:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Kumul 08:54:36 --- join: Monevii (~Monevii@cvx-ppp-66-50-52-16.coqui.net) joined #forth 08:54:36 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Monevii 08:54:44 --- part: anotherone left #forth 09:02:55 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 09:30:16 hello, parallel port access from gforth040, 486dx, dos6.2. experience? simplest route? appreciated :) 10:00:10 program tested, just need access to pp.. lol 10:16:09 --- quit: fantazo (Read error: Operation timed out) 10:17:17 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@213.129.230.10) joined #forth 10:17:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 10:18:04 --- join: remyhr (~remy@pob78-1-82-238-158-96.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 10:18:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +v remyhr 10:19:40 --- join: epicmonkey (~epicmonke@188.134.41.211) joined #forth 10:19:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +v epicmonkey 10:50:46 --- join: RodgerTheGreat (~rodger@71-13-215-128.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined #forth 10:50:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +v RodgerTheGreat 11:03:20 --- quit: fantazo (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 11:17:03 --- quit: Monevii (Remote host closed the connection) 11:22:09 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 11:49:27 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@31.185.139.168) joined #forth 11:49:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v impomatic 12:07:11 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: impomatic) 12:13:32 --- join: Monevii (~Monevii@cvx-ppp-66-50-52-16.coqui.net) joined #forth 12:13:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Monevii 12:13:33 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@cvx-ppp-66-50-52-16.coqui.net) joined #forth 12:13:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Kumul 12:25:39 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@91-119-231-37.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #forth 12:25:39 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 12:58:27 --- join: sabren (~michal.wa@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 12:58:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v sabren 14:23:48 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@108-75-59-67.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 14:23:49 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DocPlatypus 15:57:25 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 16:28:59 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 16:34:37 --- quit: sabren (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 16:36:51 --- join: sabren (~michal.wa@108-218-151-22.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 16:36:52 --- mode: ChanServ set +v sabren 16:45:32 hmm 16:45:53 apparently the TI Launchpad MSP430 dev kits are now shipping with beefier chips 16:46:33 one with 16kb of flash and 512b of ram and the other with 8kb of flash and 256b of ram 16:46:51 in the former case, potentially enough room on that sucker for a toy forth 16:47:58 not bad for less than 5 bucks given that it comes with a programmer 16:50:04 --- quit: epicmonkey (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 18:27:13 --- quit: Nisstyre (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:29:12 --- join: Nisstyre (~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre) joined #forth 18:29:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Nisstyre 19:52:00 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@61.184.205.206) joined #forth 19:52:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ttmrichter 20:16:11 RodgerTheGreat: that ram is so less 20:16:51 yeah 20:17:02 wouldn't be enough for an interactive forth 20:17:18 but 16kb is plenty for a base dictionary and an application 20:17:22 RodgerTheGreat: yes, but i found a guy who have written a forth runtime on avr tiny 20:46:09 --- quit: DaDaDOSPrompt (Quit: Leaving) 20:54:49 --- join: DaDaDOSPrompt (~DaDaDOSPr@184.99.23.182) joined #forth 20:54:49 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DaDaDOSPrompt 22:23:02 --- join: fantazo (~fantazo@91-119-231-37.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #forth 22:23:03 --- mode: ChanServ set +v fantazo 22:31:24 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 22:33:00 --- quit: RodgerTheGreat (Quit: RodgerTheGreat) 23:02:49 --- quit: sabren (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 23:16:10 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 23:28:39 --- quit: Monevii (Remote host closed the connection) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/12.07.31