00:00:00 --- log: started forth/12.05.17 00:00:37 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 00:00:37 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 01:09:42 --- quit: DaDaDOSPrompt (Quit: Leaving) 02:35:37 --- join: DocPlatypus (~skquinn@108-75-59-67.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 02:35:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DocPlatypus 04:26:53 --- quit: jyfl987 (Quit: leaving) 05:36:58 regnirps: have you used Pountain's object oriented forth? Just wondering how it compares to Mops. 05:47:50 * ttmrichter mutters direly about the OOP blight's continuing infection. 06:54:41 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 06:54:42 --- mode: ChanServ set +v nighty- 07:22:16 --- quit: remyhr (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 07:36:47 I bought the Pountain book back when it came out and it is an interesting piece of work. 07:38:12 There isn't much comparison. I was totally unimpressed by OOP in C and LISP and all that. Mops changed my mind. It's like Mac OSX versus MSDOS. 08:18:12 I'm just about to read the book. Is there a more up-to-date comparison than this? http://www.bradrodriguez.com/papers/oofs.htm 08:33:46 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 09:27:07 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: impomatic) 09:52:55 --- join: Onionnion (~ryan@adsl-68-254-170-242.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 09:52:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion 10:08:37 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@227.127.112.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 10:08:49 --- mode: ChanServ set +v impomatic 10:11:10 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 10:11:11 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 11:01:33 --- join: phirsch_ (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-87-79.netcologne.de) joined #forth 11:01:33 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch_ 11:03:16 --- quit: phirsch (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 11:09:43 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: impomatic) 11:10:20 --- join: Onny (~ryan@adsl-68-254-170-242.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 11:10:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onny 11:10:27 --- quit: Onionnion (*.net *.split) 11:10:27 --- quit: cataska_ (*.net *.split) 11:11:04 --- join: cataska_ (~cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 11:11:04 --- mode: hitchcock.freenode.net set +v cataska_ 11:43:39 --- nick: Onny -> Onionnion 11:45:41 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@227.127.112.87.dyn.plus.net) joined #forth 11:45:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +v impomatic 11:51:20 --- quit: cataska_ (*.net *.split) 11:52:07 --- join: cataska_ (~cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 11:52:07 --- mode: hitchcock.freenode.net set +v cataska_ 13:10:28 --- join: I440r (~mark4@2600:1008:b00e:7a90:3cee:84cc:e71a:92c5) joined #forth 13:10:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v I440r 14:41:18 --- quit: nighty- (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 14:58:00 --- quit: I440r (Remote host closed the connection) 16:52:09 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@adsl-72-50-89-199.prtc.net) joined #forth 16:52:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Kumul 16:53:17 --- quit: Onionnion (Quit: Leaving) 17:35:48 --- join: DaDaDOSPrompt (~DaDaDOSPr@184.99.7.19) joined #forth 17:35:48 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DaDaDOSPrompt 18:20:27 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 18:20:28 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 19:36:57 WHich book? Pountain? It is a good read for Forth internals and getting a handle on words that define words that define words. But not much as far as OOF. 19:37:32 Read the Mops manual to see how nice it is to use. The source code is out there somewhere as well. 19:42:40 http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/powermops/index.php?title=Overview#The_Mops_Manual 19:43:12 if you can stand to read it online. There is a Word version or PDF somewhere. 20:03:19 There is iMops for OSX 10.6 and after. It is worth a try, but Noooooooooo!!!!! 20:04:42 It has ZVARIABLE, Z@ and Z! for 64 bit numbers! Those are part of the wordset I introduced in the MVP-Floating Point standard for complex FP numbers! 20:05:04 Not for integers! Gak! 20:06:00 Well, it has source code I guess one could search and replace and fix it then recompile. 20:36:16 regnirps, you could finish it for QooRIQ (PPC) :) 21:48:18 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 21:57:23 regnirps: is there any apps like imops on mac for android? 22:06:18 http://sourceforge.net/p/androidforth/home/Home/ 22:06:36 Probably more fun than Java if it lets you use the whole GUI. 22:16:47 regnirps: its just a toy 22:17:10 regnirps: not like imops, that's really a dev tools 22:17:43 regnirps: i know there is Quartus Forth on palm 22:17:47 i mean like that 22:18:22 actually i would like to pay for a real forth dev tools on android 23:01:31 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:01:31 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:02:18 --- quit: phirsch (Remote host closed the connection) 23:04:02 --- quit: phirsch_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 23:04:23 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:04:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:05:21 --- quit: phirsch (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac) 23:07:32 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:07:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:08:35 --- quit: phirsch (Remote host closed the connection) 23:10:44 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:10:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:10:46 --- quit: phirsch (Read error: error:1408F119:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_RECORD:decryption failed or bad record mac) 23:13:00 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:13:01 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:17:25 regnirps: your ZVARIABLE / Z@ / Z! were for FP numbers and they made them for integers? 23:18:35 and this Mops thing... Mac only?! ick 23:21:15 --- quit: phirsch (Remote host closed the connection) 23:24:44 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-95-52.netcologne.de) joined #forth 23:24:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 23:43:11 PCs didn't have PowerPC, RISC with lost of registers is great for efficient FOrth. 23:44:02 Yep on the Z's. It is standard usage for complex numbers in math texts. 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/12.05.17