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16:35:10 Kumul, forgot the name tag loo 16:35:11 lol 16:35:15 can't type today 16:35:24 * Onionnion is looking at Java 16:36:27 why in would you be looking at that abomination? 16:37:47 * Onionnion likes learning different languages aha 16:38:04 I hate it a lot as well especially over how unefficient it is 16:38:45 and I think unefficient isn't the right word.. 16:38:49 inefficient it is duh 16:39:54 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 16:39:55 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 16:40:39 Onionnion: you are about to use a language that oracle controls in such a way that is looking for ways for ppl to pay just for using it (or the api) 16:41:32 Really? looking for ways to make people pay to use it? 16:41:38 yes 16:41:51 havent you heard about that oracle google android debacle? 16:42:38 Yeah but I didn't know about that bit. Needing licenses just to basically use it? 16:42:49 i am probably wrong, maybe the battle is about darvik (thats its name?) but either way, i wouldnt touch that ever 16:43:02 Onionnion: thats what oracle is fighting for 16:43:08 wtf. 16:43:21 Then what will happen to projects like openJDK/JRE? 16:43:29 i wouldnt know 16:43:48 thats why people are angry about this whole insanity 16:43:54 those run a lot better on Linux than oracle's 16:44:25 Onionnion: instead of java, why dont you look at go? :) 16:44:45 sounds like they only brought the case up so they can win the whole thing for making people pay to use it 16:44:49 want me to get you a link over this whole java debate? 16:44:50 Go..sounds familiar 16:45:14 Onionnion: its that language by those bell lab people 16:45:29 Ah, the nice peoples 16:46:57 yeah I see, but how does it compete 16:49:16 I wish those judges knew a little something about the computer world so they'd know of a right way to approach 16:49:32 well, they say good things about it, which is why i suggested it, but i havent tried it 16:49:51 apparently it has a similar C syntax 16:50:15 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 16:50:38 they say its a cleaner C 16:52:46 the bell labs ppl invented C, so i guess that'l be what you see when you look at one of their langs 16:53:24 followed by limbo squeak rc awk, they all look c-ish 17:00:19 it's under development by Google though 17:00:23 or at least currently 17:00:28 anyways gotta go, concert 17:00:29 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 17:00:30 later 17:00:32 --- quit: Onionnion (Quit: Leaving) 17:00:44 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 17:32:40 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 17:42:56 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 17:42:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 17:46:05 --- join: DaDaDOSPrompt (~DaDaDOSPr@184.99.7.19) joined #forth 17:46:05 --- mode: ChanServ set +v DaDaDOSPrompt 17:48:46 --- nick: trollstyre -> nisstyre 18:09:01 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:15:21 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@122.228.67.12) joined #forth 18:15:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ttmrichter 18:19:17 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 18:19:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 18:21:05 --- part: impomatic left #forth 18:23:23 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 18:33:40 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 18:33:45 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 18:36:38 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 18:46:58 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 18:46:59 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 18:51:04 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 19:01:23 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 19:01:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 19:11:00 --- quit: karswell (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 19:21:12 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 19:21:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 19:21:44 --- quit: nighty- (Remote host closed the connection) 20:00:13 --- join: regnirps (~regnirpsM@184-157-251-158.dyn.centurytel.net) joined #forth 20:00:14 --- mode: ChanServ set +v regnirps 20:12:45 Hi all. Anyone using gforth on Linux? 20:16:03 I need to do something like EMIT and KEY with a serial port to test RS485. Diving me nuts. 20:31:23 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 20:41:37 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 20:41:38 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 20:48:15 --- quit: jyfl987 (Quit: leaving) 20:48:24 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 20:48:25 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 21:36:22 regnirps: but isnt using 2dup more readable than ddup? its merely a choice of readability, at the end of the day you can redefine : ddup 2dup ; no? 21:46:11 I'm really old school. FORTH words are all caps and I really fly off the handle when hex uses lower case THEY ARE DIFFERENT ASCII VALUES!!! 21:47:20 Since you can set any RADIX in Forth, you could need both upper and lower case to express something like a base 60 number. 21:47:57 So, reading C code really bugs me :-) 21:49:59 i've ranted here before, it falls on deaf ears 21:57:47 is it defined somewhere to completely ignore case? 21:58:12 having uppercase for variables (as an example) could be useful for readability 21:59:28 but who cares about that, give me my color highilght so that i can use a bloated IDE for something that can be avoided 21:59:55 You need a bloated IDE for color highlighting? 22:00:00 That's certainly news to me. 22:00:40 WHat does bloated mean today? My embedded ARM9's had 64 MBtes of RAM. 22:00:47 yes, anything that isnt needed is bloat :P 22:01:38 So anything beyond a PDP-8 is bloat? 22:01:42 i fear ttmrichter has written an IDE and will surely beat me to death now 22:01:52 Well, actually the PDP-8 is pretty bloated compared to its predecessors. 22:01:54 ttmrichter: yes 22:02:09 So anything beyond ENIAC, say, or Z4 is bloat? 22:02:15 * ttmrichter doesn't use IDEs. 22:02:22 I use text editors and shells. 22:02:28 My main Linux box for cross compiling has 12 cores and 16 GBytes of RAM. It wouldbe hard to bloat. 22:03:24 I'd kind of call that box itself bloated. 22:03:27 ttmrichter: if its useful for playing angry birds, its not bloat 22:03:27 make -j24 :O 22:03:31 But of course I grew up with PDP-8s and PDP-11s. :) 22:04:10 regnirps: It's easy to fill up all resources on that machine. Run Chrome. 22:04:14 Poor thing. Ihad to learn PDP11/70 assembly in school when we got rid of the Univac in the basement. 22:04:41 I definitely liked the PDP-11 better than the -8 in terms of its instruction set. 22:04:49 The PDP-8 was a Turing Tarpit. 22:05:19 I became a 6502 guy, so naturally ARM is easy. 22:06:00 ARM is easy even if you didn't go the 6502 route. Having a decently orthogonal instruction set (although things like Thumb and Thumb2 and the like kind of polluted that a bit) makes a huge difference in learnability. 22:06:38 For the opposite extreme, c.f. Intel. :) 22:13:01 +The 6502 and ARM have the same processor status register and branch instructions. 22:13:22 But then ARM was designed to replace 6502 in the BBC computer. 22:15:58 I need to emit characters (bytes) in Linux with gforth. 22:16:13 Never tried it before. and am stuck. 22:16:37 Redirection is easy, but everything I type goes out the port, whcih is RS485, and not helpful. 22:17:56 --- quit: karswell (Remote host closed the connection) 22:28:09 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 22:28:09 --- mode: ChanServ set +v karswell 22:34:35 --- quit: phirsch_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:37:12 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-96-203.netcologne.de) joined #forth 22:37:13 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 22:37:45 --- quit: phirsch (Remote host closed the connection) 22:39:50 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-96-203.netcologne.de) joined #forth 22:39:50 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 22:56:02 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 23:11:01 regnirps: wow, are you build your linux box yourself or just bought a super vps from some clound provider? 23:30:38 Tiger DIrect has a nice deal on a system for under $500 23:32:53 Get an 8 core likethishttp://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2628602&sku=B69-0558&SRCCODE=WEM3107BY&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3107-_-tigeremail3107&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3107 23:33:22 Compile like crazy and good for gamers (I don't have any games). 23:34:25 Use the -j option for make on kernels and file systems. Use like -j18 or -j24 for number of threads and compile in a few minutes instead of an hour or more. 23:35:46 Edit and make again and most will still be in cached in teh 8G of RAM and go even faster. 23:36:09 Get 8 more Gigs really. 23:37:47 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/12.05.15