00:00:00 --- log: started forth/12.05.07 00:52:48 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 00:56:21 --- quit: impomatic (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 01:27:36 --- quit: remyhr (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 02:19:02 --- join: remyhr (~remy@pob78-1-82-238-158-96.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 02:19:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +v remyhr 02:50:59 --- quit: remyhr (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 03:49:59 --- join: crc (~crc@li125-93.members.linode.com) joined #forth 03:50:00 --- mode: ChanServ set +v crc 04:11:32 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@61.183.22.198) joined #forth 04:11:32 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ttmrichter 05:45:39 --- quit: jyfl987 (Quit: leaving) 06:07:12 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 06:07:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 06:20:08 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 06:20:08 --- mode: ChanServ set +v nighty- 06:20:39 --- quit: jyfl987 (Quit: leaving) 06:29:12 --- join: Onionnion (cdd57d07@gateway/web/freenode/ip.205.213.125.7) joined #forth 06:29:12 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion 06:35:09 ANYBODY HOME? 06:35:10 oops 06:35:18 had caps on from writing definition :P 06:45:33 bah, this equation to plug into a definition is confusing 06:45:33 (a - 4b) / 6 + c 06:50:21 --- join: remyhr (~remy@pob78-1-82-238-158-96.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 06:50:21 --- mode: ChanServ set +v remyhr 07:02:07 --- part: Onionnion left #forth 08:08:17 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 09:07:39 --- quit: remyhr (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10:29:56 --- join: malyn_ (~malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 10:29:56 --- mode: ChanServ set +v malyn_ 10:32:36 --- quit: malyn (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 10:32:53 --- nick: malyn_ -> malyn 11:26:01 --- quit: phirsch (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:28:13 --- join: phirsch (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-166-215.netcologne.de) joined #forth 11:28:14 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch 11:56:24 --- quit: segher (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 11:57:23 --- join: segher (~segher@5ED3C8DF.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 11:57:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +v segher 12:11:43 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-088-069-138-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 12:11:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Snoopy_1611 12:29:12 --- quit: segher (Quit: This computer has gone to sleep) 12:30:15 --- join: segher (~segher@5ED3C8DF.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 12:30:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +v segher 13:19:27 --- join: Onionnion (~ryan@adsl-76-230-212-132.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 13:19:27 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion 13:23:02 --- join: impomatic (~digital_w@37.152.241.139) joined #forth 13:23:02 --- mode: ChanServ set +v impomatic 15:04:17 --- quit: nighty- (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 15:04:59 --- quit: Onionnion (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15:05:15 --- join: remyhr (~remy@pob78-1-82-238-158-96.fbx.proxad.net) joined #forth 15:05:15 --- mode: ChanServ set +v remyhr 15:17:29 --- join: Onionnion (~ryan@adsl-69-215-132-213.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) joined #forth 15:17:29 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Onionnion 15:36:47 --- quit: nighty^ (Quit: Disappears in a puff of smoke) 15:40:43 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 15:40:43 --- mode: ChanServ set +v nighty^ 18:51:20 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@67.224.209.168) joined #forth 18:51:20 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Kumul 18:58:21 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 () 19:00:07 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-088-069-138-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 19:00:08 --- mode: ChanServ set +v Snoopy_1611 19:01:45 ello everyone 19:08:39 Kumul, http://www.youtube.com/html5 19:08:41 check it 19:08:48 no more need of flash 19:09:25 works pretty good; a little buggy/unstable still but it's mostly a port of the flash player to HTML5 19:33:17 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@60.55.8.21) joined #forth 19:33:17 --- mode: ChanServ set +v ttmrichter 19:58:17 i know 19:58:30 i cant compile anything nowadays though 19:59:03 Onionnion: you need at least 1gb of ram to compile firefox 19:59:24 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 19:59:24 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 19:59:33 why such a low-spec machine? 20:02:33 just leave me playing videos on mplayer, im very comfy 20:03:44 Onionnion: why such a high spec machine? 20:04:45 funnes 20:05:51 its fun not using firefox :) 20:06:40 and being aware of whats using 50% of your PC's resources is a good thing 20:07:15 * Onionnion uses chromium 20:07:25 minecraft, man 20:07:32 software development and building big things 20:07:38 Blender 20:08:59 It's funny holding Chromium up as an example of something not using system resources. 20:09:22 i miss the days when ppl actually cared about resources instead of just thinking everything is infinite 20:09:39 i actually cant build chromium either since the last version 20:09:42 Chromium is using up 17% of my memory right now. By way of comparison my VirtualBox instance running an entire other OS is using about 30%. 20:09:51 I've got four tabs open in Chromium. 20:09:53 Four. Tabs. 20:10:50 chromium uses even more than firefox, given its design 20:10:50 Kumul: I'm with you. 20:11:05 I remember working on air traffic control systems that had 128KB of RAM. 20:11:21 Three of those were needed for the Toronto air corridor. 20:11:54 So something that had less memory and processing horsepower than my seven year old mobile phone was fully capable of guiding aircraft safely through the skies. 20:12:06 And nowadays you can't surf the web without 1GB. 20:12:30 Hmmm... Interesting question. I'll fire up Firefox on the same four pages. 20:14:09 maybe its more automated now, did it change? 20:15:21 Same four pages in Firefox are 8% of my memory. 20:15:28 So Chromium is a far worse resource hog than Firefox. 20:15:35 It's changed at least twice since then. 20:15:57 I was there, in fact, for the time when Raytheon was coding the replacement. 20:16:08 Onionnion: im not such a nut that i will call blender useless, but the web is just this unorganized mess that no one dares to make usable 20:16:40 And failing miserably, despite having an order of magnitude more CPU horsepower, THREE orders of magnitude more storage space (!) and about two orders of magnitude more RAM. 20:17:25 While I was with Transport Canada's Technical Services Branch, Raytheon was very close to being booted off their contract. 20:17:42 They couldn't even load their *test* database in the time given for loading the full data set. (Seven hours.) 20:17:52 It took them three hours to format a 40MB hard drive. 20:18:06 there's the really small ones based off of FF 20:18:07 The PC on my desk at the time had a 10MB hard drive and could format that in a few minutes. 20:18:14 what's that one..Weasel? 20:18:16 iceweasel 20:18:40 Hmm... Looking at these memory footprints and checking the performance, I think it's time for a switch back to Firefox. 20:19:02 I moved away from Firefox because it leaked memory to the point that just leaving it alone on a web page for an hour made it suck up all my RAM. 20:19:10 it is, it sparks a new process for every page, that is probably a bad idea 20:20:37 iceweasel is just firefox Onionnion 20:20:57 the only change is in the copyrighted stuff (the fox icon, the name (its TM)) 20:21:16 iirc 20:21:25 so it should be the same 20:21:33 Sparking a new process isn't necessarily a memory hog, Kumul. 20:21:46 It *should* just remap the shared code (since those are read-only). 20:22:19 But even with that, looking at the usage in htop, the forked data is still a mind-numbingly huge amount for something as trivial as four web pages. 20:22:34 Wow! I have so much space now! :) 20:22:44 :D 20:22:51 Now if only I could get the tabs to go on the left instead of the top. 20:22:51 you can save even more with netsurf 20:23:16 I have a prime example of what you're talkign about with resources 20:23:17 Ubuntu 20:23:45 * ttmrichter moved away from Ubuntu over stability reasons. 20:23:47 there is an extension for making firefox chromium like 20:24:04 lubuntu works on my machine 20:24:34 and I love openbox 20:24:34 I'm using Mint right now. 20:24:42 I may switch over to something else after a while. 20:24:45 Mint 12 just gave me issues 20:24:47 Mint 12 doesn't look interesting. 20:24:52 * ttmrichter is using Mint 11. 20:25:01 I wanted mint 11 for gnome 2 but every iso I burned wasn't working :/ 20:25:09 tried mint 12..not that great 20:25:11 dont try it 20:25:21 MATE is still unstable 20:25:46 the linux world and its unstability, how i dont miss those days :) 20:26:52 Kumul: What do you use now? 20:27:14 freebsd 20:28:51 whats that rule? "given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow", this means that there is no such thing as a linux "user" but a beta tester 20:29:26 ok, im trolling unconsciously 20:40:43 No trolling from this side. 20:40:45 I like BSD. 20:40:48 Just not as a desktop distro. 20:40:59 If I had a server, FreeBSD would be my OS of choice. 20:42:24 Onionnion: whats MATE though? 20:43:07 Kumul, Gnome 2 emulated under Gnome 3 20:43:15 very unstable still and not very efficient 20:44:25 whaa? 20:44:27 XD 20:44:44 yeah it's kinda silly. I find it stupid how they just can't keep Gnome 2 an option 20:45:00 why not use gnome 2? 20:45:08 yeah 20:45:09 couldn't find a single article about anything of getting gnome 2 into mint 12 or even latest ubuntu's 20:45:42 The entire Linux desktop community has lost its collective mind. 20:45:47 but then I met openbox :P 20:45:56 if i had a server i would use linux :P 20:46:02 there's the heavyweights and the lightweights 20:46:22 lxde is pretty good 20:46:26 They're all trying their best to mimic iOS/Android in look and feel, despite that look and feel *NOT APPLYING ON DESKTOP DEVICES*. 20:46:51 The problem with all the lightweights is that most apps assume the heavyweights so you drag in all the heavyweight libraries and runtimes anyway. 20:47:17 well there's the light platforms like gtk 20:47:22 So you get a "streamlined" (read: underpowered) user experience combined with the bloat of both K and GNOME. 20:47:49 I had to download almost the entire KDE just to run Krita 20:48:21 eh was a waste, doesn't work that well on my machine anyways 20:48:26 or it just doesn't like me 20:50:57 thats a problem with packaging, i just have kde dependent or gnome blocked 20:51:13 if it requires gnome, then stop 20:54:22 some of the games from the humble bundle are annoying me 20:54:35 I download the 64 bit and it needs 32 bit packages of everything. 20:56:24 i dont know what that is 20:56:37 humble bundle 20:56:46 pay what you want for a bunch of indie games 20:56:47 i still dont know 20:56:50 all the profit goes to charity 20:56:54 ahh 20:57:29 last one was a few days ago 20:57:42 www.humblebundle.com 20:58:16 just curious, what IRC client are you using, Kumul 20:58:17 ? 20:58:58 bug report! 20:59:03 xchat 20:59:29 i use ii when inspired 21:00:28 id love to give xchat the boot, but its the only tolerable one 21:01:41 Onionnion: it shows on the ctcp version thing 21:04:25 oh yeah 21:20:07 and I'm out 21:20:10 'night yall 21:20:18 --- quit: Onionnion (Quit: Leaving) 22:16:16 --- join: jyfl987_ (~jyf@114.242.114.130) joined #forth 22:21:46 --- quit: cataska (*.net *.split) 22:21:46 --- quit: malyn (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: crc (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: i__ (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: newcup (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: jyfl987 (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: ivan` (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: nighty_ (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: Kumul (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: DGASAU (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: nighty^ (*.net *.split) 22:21:47 --- quit: segher (*.net *.split) 22:21:48 --- quit: yiyus (*.net *.split) 22:22:23 --- join: cataska (~cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: Kumul (~Kumul@67.224.209.168) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: segher (~segher@5ED3C8DF.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- mode: hitchcock.freenode.net set +vvvv cataska Kumul nighty^ segher 22:22:24 --- join: malyn (~malyn@unaffiliated/malyn) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: crc (~crc@li125-93.members.linode.com) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: i__ (~none@unaffiliated/i--/x-3618442) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: ivan` (~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- mode: hitchcock.freenode.net set +vvvv malyn crc i__ ivan` 22:22:24 --- join: newcup (newcup@peruna.fi) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: nighty_ (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: DGASAU (~user@91.218.144.129) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- join: yiyus (1242712427@je.je.je) joined #forth 22:22:24 --- mode: hitchcock.freenode.net set +vvvv newcup nighty_ DGASAU yiyus 22:22:41 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987_ 22:22:55 --- quit: jyfl987_ (Quit: leaving) 22:23:04 --- join: jyfl987 (~jyf@unaffiliated/yunfan) joined #forth 22:23:04 --- mode: ChanServ set +v jyfl987 22:27:47 --- join: phirsch_ (~smuxi@xdsl-89-0-97-130.netcologne.de) joined #forth 22:27:47 --- mode: ChanServ set +v phirsch_ 22:29:47 --- quit: phirsch (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:44:06 --- quit: Kumul (Quit: gone) 23:13:05 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/12.05.07