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09:42:25 <Onionnion> Where's a FORTH interpretor for linux's terminal?
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11:11:02 <Onionnion> I'm using gforth in linux terminal and with lines like 10 2 / . and 20 4 / . it returns 8
11:11:10 <Onionnion> what's up with that?
11:11:55 <Kumul> its 5 for me
11:12:17 <Kumul> did you redefine something there?
11:12:22 <Onionnion> nope
11:12:41 <Onionnion> odd
11:12:48 <Onionnion> restarted it and working..hmm
11:13:05 <Kumul> you must have redefined it without knowing :)
11:13:12 <Onionnion> I guess so
11:13:22 * _spt_ thinks so as well
11:13:35 <Kumul> you should have typed see / or see . to debug :)
11:13:46 <Kumul> now we'll never know :(
11:14:48 <Onionnion> aw
11:14:50 <Onionnion> but
11:14:53 * Onionnion is a forth newbie
11:15:29 <_spt_> you are always leaning with Forth
11:17:01 <Onionnion> I love the languages that do that, like C
11:17:38 <Onionnion> hmm see just shows Code / and a stuck cursor
11:18:03 <Kumul> it shows the definition of the word
11:18:38 <Kumul> so you know what it does :)
11:20:22 <Kumul> to me, forth is just a great headache
11:21:06 <Onionnion> but it's stuck and not showing anything
11:21:26 <Kumul> wha?
11:21:40 <Onionnion> SEE / just gets stuck showing Code /
11:21:45 <Onionnion> SEE . works fine
11:22:10 <Kumul> i get about 20 lines of code
11:22:31 <Kumul> there's something seriously wrong with gforth on your system
11:22:38 <Kumul> what are you using?
11:22:44 <Kumul> OS i mean
11:22:50 <Onionnion> lubuntu 12.04 64 bit
11:23:35 <Kumul> oh, then dont worry thats expected of ubuntu
11:24:06 <Onionnion> lol
11:24:20 <Onionnion> I distro jump now and then
11:24:27 <Onionnion> the last I had was #!
11:24:38 <Kumul> thats a distro?
11:25:02 <_spt_> debian + gforth is a great combo
11:25:20 <Onionnion> crunchbang
11:25:23 <Kumul> you can always try another implementation of forth
11:25:32 <Kumul> pforth is a good one
11:26:22 <Onionnion> what's the difference
11:26:28 <Kumul> it doesnt require compiling words, so thats good, imeo
11:27:19 <Onionnion> what about yforth
11:27:59 <Kumul> havent tried it
11:28:12 <Onionnion> yeah pforth is working better
11:29:22 <Kumul> its quite slow though, but all the forth i've done is euler problems and the occasional game
11:30:37 <Kumul> _spt_: debian + anything is a good combo :)
11:31:19 <Onionnion> yes
11:31:45 <Onionnion> but crunchbang (debian based) and anything else I tried that was such gave me issues :/
11:31:53 <Onionnion> I loved its openbox
11:32:42 <Kumul> debian gave you issues?
11:33:02 <Onionnion> a lot of which was repo issues
11:34:30 <Kumul> debian repo issues?
11:34:44 <Kumul> but but, it already has anything you could ever want
11:34:52 <Kumul> except up to date stuff
11:44:04 <Onionnion> I can't remember all the issues
11:45:44 <Kumul> the only problem i had with debian was compiling stuff and getting something up to date
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12:17:34 <_spt_> off to do some work, night all
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14:27:43 <Onionnion> funny how I still haven't figured out how to print text lol
15:05:56 <Kumul> Onionnion: how are you learning?
15:06:46 <Onionnion> Kumul, http://www.forth.com/starting-forth/sf1/sf1.html
15:06:51 <Onionnion> I'm getting there
15:06:53 <Onionnion> love this guide
15:08:36 <Kumul> its so awesome
15:09:25 <Kumul> i didnt understand K&R, but i can understand sf
15:09:52 <Onionnion> K&R is obsolete now anyways
15:10:25 <Onionnion> going by how the language has changed, that is. best guide I could ever find and is still new is at c.learncodethehardway.org
15:10:57 <Kumul> some people might kill you if they heard you
15:11:53 <impomatic> K&R has a 2nd edition to cover ANSI.
15:12:15 <Kumul> ansi C is the only portable C there is
15:12:47 <Kumul> and from what i've heard, the only one that has been implemented
15:14:00 <Kumul> fully**
15:14:48 <impomatic> Is it normal for WORD to leave the counted string just after HERE so defining words don't have to move it?
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18:13:06 <Kumul> hey there ttmrichter
18:13:20 <Kumul> ttmrichter: did ttysomething finish modula2 compiler?
18:13:30 <Kumul> woah this is offtopic
18:15:45 <ttmrichter> trijezdci you mean, Kumul?
18:15:52 <Kumul> yeah
18:15:53 <ttmrichter> You should probably ask that in #modula-2.  :D
18:17:52 <Kumul> i was just wondering, theres no way im going through hoops to get it running, which is probably why i never tried modula2
18:18:09 <Kumul> bad memories installing ack...
18:34:37 <ttmrichter> I don't think he's got it working yet.  He's been tied down with work issues.
18:43:05 <Onionnion> Why is Forth so fun
18:43:14 <Kumul> i cant imagine, and doing it all alone
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18:44:10 <Kumul> Onionnion: 1st day is fun, second you will want to murder :)
18:44:34 <Kumul> im kidding, i just cant get working something so im in a bad mood
18:44:43 <Kumul> Onionnion: how are you practicing?
18:45:08 <Onionnion> Kumul, just writing stuff
18:51:47 <Onionnion> isn't this a comment?
18:51:48 <Onionnion> ( n -- n-10 )
18:52:11 <Kumul> yes
18:52:28 <Kumul> n = number
18:52:35 <Onionnion> so all parentheses are comments
18:52:40 <Kumul> yes
18:52:45 <Kumul> and \
18:52:51 <Kumul> what languages do you know Onionnion ?
18:53:11 <Onionnion> Mostly Lua and C
18:53:42 <Kumul> -- is \, --[[ ]] is ( comment)
18:53:49 <Kumul> except for the multiline thing
18:54:52 <Kumul> i want forth with multi-line support!
18:55:12 <Kumul> comment doesnt end till a ) is found be it 5 lines below
18:55:23 <Kumul> but thats implementation specific i guess
18:56:05 <Onionnion> yup
18:59:22 <Onionnion> aha
18:59:35 <Onionnion> just found an awesome example to explain stacking
18:59:51 <Onionnion> : TEN-LESS 10 - ;
19:00:00 <Onionnion> it doesn't return it though ;)
19:01:09 <Kumul> it shouldnt
19:01:28 <Onionnion> I know
19:02:37 <Onionnion> but it will show the stack
19:02:54 <Onionnion> depending on interpretor..pforth shows it
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19:31:48 <Onionnion> so what does this command do
19:31:57 <Onionnion> HEX DB 400 C! 400 EXECUTE
19:33:06 <Onionnion> it crashes it I know
19:33:12 <Onionnion> but that's the point lol
19:34:00 <Kumul> hmm?
19:34:56 <Onionnion> it's a command ran in a computer in a mod for minecraft
19:35:00 <Onionnion> redpower's computer
19:35:16 <Kumul> minecraft uses forth?
19:35:22 <Onionnion> a mod
19:35:32 <Onionnion> emulates a really old CPU
19:35:39 <Kumul> well
19:35:59 <Onionnion> and when it crashes it lights on fire
19:36:54 <Kumul> hex changes the base to hexadecimal, so the input later is actually a number, the C! means it will store a character... but where?
19:37:08 <Kumul> you need to create a variable to use c!
19:37:17 <Kumul> which is why it crashes
19:37:22 <Onionnion> ah
19:37:34 <Kumul> i dont know what execute does yet
19:37:44 <Kumul> something about compile state and so
19:37:52 <Kumul> i think its on the last chapter on sf
19:38:26 <Onionnion> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb0Q9htsbBI
19:38:41 <Kumul> is this about the DCPU?
19:39:01 <Onionnion> dcpu?
19:39:32 <Kumul> because its minecraft i thought it was about that new thing notch designed
19:40:06 <Onionnion> uhh
19:40:08 <Onionnion> idk
19:40:25 <Onionnion> redpower is a mod that extends redstone
19:40:34 <Onionnion> computers were just added
19:41:19 <Onionnion> these computers are ran with either forth or assembly
19:42:13 <Kumul> hehe, forth replacing lua? what is this!?
19:42:29 <Onionnion> lol
19:42:36 <Onionnion> you're thinking computercraft
19:42:41 <Onionnion> separate mod
19:42:53 <Onionnion> I'm actually involved with the CC team
19:43:11 <Onionnion> documentation and guide writing etc
19:43:29 <Kumul> im lost, i just have never tried mods minecraft or red^(stone power)
19:44:15 <Onionnion> ok so there's minecraft and it's very easily modded
19:44:54 <Onionnion> redstone is something that come default in minecraft and is pretty much a big, bulky electrical circuit simulator
19:45:13 <Onionnion> redpower is a mod to build upon that adding many features
19:45:29 <Onionnion> there's wire and circuits and many other goodies
19:46:20 <Onionnion> that mod just had some added items which included parts of the computer which are placed near each other to all work and all
19:46:34 <Onionnion> just watch the link to see how it all gets together
19:46:43 <Onionnion> then there's computercraft which has been out side xmas
19:47:02 <Onionnion> completely different but 100% compatible with redpower
19:47:23 <Onionnion> it's a computer that runs with Lua
19:47:31 <Kumul> i think im better off looking at the vid
19:47:37 <Onionnion> lol
19:47:57 <Onionnion> all of the vid is redpower and he does mention computercraft
19:48:07 <Kumul> ack, its 50mb, ill leave it for later
19:48:27 <Onionnion> can't stream?
19:48:47 <Kumul> its the same
19:49:24 <Kumul> actually its worse, because on youtube, it automatically plays it on 1080p or so
19:49:36 <Onionnion> the change that
19:49:39 <Kumul> no flash, dont worry ill watch it :)
19:49:43 <Onionnion> ah
19:49:53 <Onionnion> yeah adobe hates linux
19:50:03 <Onionnion> they will no longer fix any linux-only bugs
19:50:05 <Kumul> i hate adobe
19:50:15 <Kumul> i also hate flash
19:50:29 <Kumul> wow, i should get a chill pill
19:51:03 <Kumul> Onionnion: try a ctcp version on me to see OS :)
19:51:28 <Onionnion> a wut?
19:51:46 <Kumul>  /ctcp nick version
19:52:12 <Kumul> so /ctcp kumul version
19:53:13 <Kumul> client to client protocol, mmm i cant  explain it, i dont know that much about irc
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19:53:22 <Onionnion> BSD
19:54:18 <Kumul> i hate too many things, i can just install the ABI layer for linux and install flash, i have no excuse, i suppose ill just say i dont like flash
19:54:30 <Onionnion> I actually dont really understand what bsd is
19:55:12 <Kumul> bsd is unix
19:55:39 <Kumul> while linux is unix like, bsd is unix
19:56:03 <Kumul> oh well, its not really unix, its a clone
19:56:57 <Kumul> i dont know what to explain
19:57:27 <Onionnion> hmm how is unix and linux different is what I'm wondering
19:58:11 <Kumul> well, linux breaks posix and basically every standard per month :P
19:58:38 <Kumul> well, not linux, but gnu...
19:59:32 <Kumul> i suppose i cant explain after all
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20:03:34 <Onionnion> how is it different from linux, in terms of how it's used
20:05:44 <Kumul> its used mostly for servers nowadays
20:07:09 <Onionnion> ah
20:07:22 <Kumul> i find that its more manageable for 1 person, i havent updated anything in weeks
20:07:34 <Kumul> i probably shouldnt look at the security vulnerability though
20:09:41 <Kumul> s/weeks/months
20:10:00 <Kumul> Onionnion: i think you're better off googling in this part
20:10:07 <Kumul> it differs in a lot, and not
20:12:18 <Onionnion> yeah I'll do that
20:12:29 <Kumul> its not the same kernel, utilities, dev model, philosophy, license, people
20:13:28 <Onionnion> but it must be about the same idea
20:13:32 <Onionnion> to share knowledge
20:13:38 <Onionnion> open source software
20:13:39 <Onionnion> etc
20:13:44 <Kumul> no
20:13:53 <Kumul> its anarchistic actually
20:16:03 <Kumul> more tolerant for people making money out of software
20:16:29 <Onionnion> ah
20:16:34 <Onionnion> hence Mac OSX
20:17:07 <Kumul> yep
20:20:05 <Kumul> i find it quite nice, not having to be constantly reminded about free software
20:32:52 <Onionnion> I must head off now for sleeps. g'night, thanks for the help and stuff
20:33:12 <Kumul> sure, come by again :)
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