00:00:00 --- log: started forth/11.12.20 00:50:55 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 02:36:36 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-088-069-137-096.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 03:31:01 --- quit: truefx (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:02:02 --- nick: DGASAU` -> DGASAU 04:04:19 --- join: truefx (~hasan@88.250.93.191) joined #forth 04:08:42 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 04:16:42 what is the best way to localize all forth words ? 04:19:48 i wanna program using the words in my native language instead of English ones. Right now i redefine words : myTranslation keyword ; or : myTranslation postpone keyword ; immedeate for immediate values. Save them in a fth file and include each time when i launch compiler. Is it the normal way or is it too primitive ??? 04:20:34 someone told these days about loading your own dictionnary 04:22:25 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@113.106.101.41) joined #forth 04:24:55 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 04:40:42 how to autoload it ? 04:42:16 depends on what(forth) you're using 04:59:35 --- join: yunfan (~jyf@123.121.226.240) joined #forth 05:00:49 eldre, im using gforth swiftx and vfx in ubuntu is it possible with one of those ? 05:01:10 secondly, is it possible to overload immedeate words ? 05:01:58 for example i wanna use ... for ending if , namely for : ... postpone endif ; immediate 05:01:59 i'm somehow a beginner, so do same things like me, rtfm ;) 05:02:36 may i use it for ending case or any other control structure ? 05:03:00 rtfm ? 05:17:42 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 05:41:41 that's a (well known) expression, read that fucking manual, or read source (hforth in my case could suits nice, but as i say, i'm beginner, so choose yourself) 05:56:11 eldre, i have already started to like silent and non-existing forth community. 1 response to my questions in 3 days and its composed of fuck !!! it better to search for documents or books of 80s. 05:56:54 It is hard to tell which way is the best. 05:57:14 There's no even reasonably good way. 05:57:30 No, it isn't possible to overload. 05:57:32 At all. 05:57:40 It is possible only to redefine. 05:58:14 truefx: i'm a beginner, i can not say what or this, sorry, but as stated on topic, some guru may answers in a week (maybe christmas time is the cause of some users away from their screens too) 05:58:34 No, searching books from eighties doesn't work well. 05:58:59 First of all, because of dialect shift. 05:59:08 Modern Forth isn't what it has been in eighties. 05:59:15 And that's for good. 06:00:03 but only thing i can find about forth is magasines journals of 80s 06:01:02 Sure. 06:01:07 That's because Forth is dead. 06:01:12 right now i m reading an article in french forth magasine. I cant even find books about forth starting forth does not answer anything 06:01:22 It didn't produce any fresh idea in past two decades. 06:01:24 At least. 06:01:35 only basic structures i ve read it in an hour thats all 06:01:44 i appreciate the book "thinking forth", that's i can tell 06:01:59 "TF" doesn't help either. 06:02:13 its about philosophy of language 06:02:17 No. 06:02:21 It's about bullshit. 06:02:24 DGASAU: ok thanks, but it helped me, any other *constructive* arguements? 06:02:30 i wanna know how to use assembly in forth 06:02:42 how to extend forth 06:02:43 You could have read any other book with enough hype. 06:02:50 how to localize forth 06:03:01 how to implement fort in forth 06:03:07 truefx: Forth is _not_ for beginner programmer. 06:03:19 im not a programmer 06:03:25 I think that it should be clear to you at this point. 06:03:36 im an electronics and communication engineer 06:03:44 truefx: i made a wrapper to a dns library for gforth, this is well explain in gforth documetnation (example of extend, lib point of vue, not intrinsic) 06:03:53 i wanna know how to implemet forth in fpga 06:03:54 truefx: Forth is _not_ for non-programmers. 06:04:30 for whom is forth then ? 06:05:05 for dead people who only say forth is not for anyone other than deads ? 06:06:12 Yes, Forth is for old farts who stayed living in eighties. 06:06:18 do you know whats the difference between perl and forth community ? 06:06:35 No, and I don't care. 06:06:54 I don't care of neither, and of perl community even less. 06:07:33 in perl channel they always say there is more than one way of doing it and i get at least 10 different answer to same question 06:07:45 Seriously, there're better ways to waste your time. 06:08:01 in forth channel its my way or highway = NO WAY 06:08:06 And if you want to be productive then Forth is not for you in any case. 06:08:34 Yes, there's no way to do anything more complex than adding two numbers. 06:08:40 i wanna write my own compiler using forth 06:08:53 thats why im here 06:09:04 Then you should become programmer first. 06:09:13 pascal is or c is no sufficient for me 06:09:23 Learn Scheme. 06:09:42 You even can find almost ready schematics for Scheme CPUs. 06:09:49 electronics engineers are natural born programmers 06:09:54 Not at all. 06:10:11 EEs are one of the worst kind programmers. 06:10:41 I have to deal with some at work. 06:10:55 coz they provide programmers with the toys so that programmers can also make living 06:11:10 They don't get abstractions and microoptimize when there's no sense. 06:11:46 Farmers are the best programmers and balet dancers at the same time then. 06:11:46 playing with the soft parts of problems 06:12:06 hard part is done by hardware engineers 06:12:08 'Cause they provide all of them with food so that they can make anything. 06:12:37 Hardware engineers don't understand programming. 06:12:52 yeahh yeah 06:13:02 It was very hard to make hardware enginneers adopt support for parallel programming. 06:13:16 they think different :) 06:13:18 LOL 06:13:50 The latter wasn't even close to laughable. 06:14:07 yes it was 06:14:26 coz probaby u didnt read what u have written 06:14:29 Read about correct parallel programming without races. 06:14:42 we could have laugh together 06:18:14 --- quit: eldre (*.net *.split) 06:18:37 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 06:18:56 --- join: eldre (~eldre@sd-11738.dedibox.fr) joined #forth 06:28:32 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 07:09:20 --- join: davazp (~user@89.100.226.133) joined #forth 08:07:09 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 08:11:49 --- quit: yunfan (Quit: leaving) 08:13:31 --- quit: karswell (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:24:03 --- quit: truefx (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:40:18 --- nick: nottwo_ -> nottwo 08:58:47 --- join: karswell (~coat@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 09:07:14 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: 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