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10:20:11 --- join: MoALTz (~no@host-92-8-254-62.as43234.net) joined #forth 10:27:02 --- quit: ygrek (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 10:43:20 --- quit: xpololz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 10:53:08 --- quit: _spt_ (Quit: so long and thats for all the fish.) 10:57:07 --- quit: kidfoo (Quit: leaving) 10:59:10 --- join: xpololz (~xpol@50.80-203-124.nextgentel.com) joined #forth 11:00:43 --- quit: MoALTz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 11:30:49 --- join: MoALTz (~no@host-92-18-64-100.as13285.net) joined #forth 11:59:20 --- join: borkman (~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 12:09:55 --- join: nighty- (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 12:10:55 --- join: tathi (~josh@dsl-216-227-95-32.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 12:12:30 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:14:47 --- quit: MoALTz (Quit: Leaving) 12:30:44 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 12:33:31 Hi mark4 :) 12:33:38 hi 12:33:51 Wassup today ? 12:34:03 been keeping an eye on taht rasbery, looks like i will be able to order one soon ish lol 12:34:10 Progress toward a release ? 12:34:23 well they have un populated boards now 12:34:27 Yes 12:34:33 im sure they can pick n place reeeeel fast :) 12:34:48 I was talking about about your forth 12:35:08 a budy of mine here did a reverse engineer of avr's jtag ice code, his code was a MESS. i just went through and cleaned it all up for him 12:35:20 But for the raspberry I hope you can release a version for Raspberry 12:35:34 that would so cool to have a forth machine 12:35:44 im waiting on some things to arrive so i can make a nice neat target before i continue with my avr code, right now i got a disassembled frankenstein lol 12:35:48 with multitasking in forth etc... 12:36:02 yea and it wouldnt need to be teathered, that would be a self contained compiler. the entire thing on the target 12:36:11 Yep 12:36:19 Raspberry Pi is ARM? 12:36:24 ya 12:36:24 Yes 12:37:01 u ever work with avr tathi? 12:37:26 tathi, I think this is a start the same forth machine/compiler can then be ported to 12:37:31 other ARM boards 12:38:04 mark4, I need the AVR version too :) 12:38:17 mark4: Not really...I've looked at some code for it I think...but never actually used one. 12:38:25 that will be released when i have the native threaded version :) 12:39:03 i wrote an avr assembler and then wrote a direct threaded avr forth. it is for the atmega32u4 but shluld work on any non tiny given the right def.inc file 12:39:34 Cool. 12:39:35 the assembler works for any non tiny avr and wont allow opcodes that dont exist on the chosen target device 12:39:43 the avr assembler is a cross assembler ? 12:39:46 i want to do a sub threaded version 12:39:51 yes it runs in isforth 12:39:56 Ok 12:41:17 Hrm...guess I haven't even seen any AVR code. Looks like your garden variety 8-bit micro though. :) 12:41:27 ya 12:41:30 68K inspired maybe 12:41:38 tathi, no it is RISC 12:41:43 ya 12:42:01 2 uni students designed it and sold it to atmel or something 12:42:27 basically yes 12:42:44 nighty-: *real* RISC has 3-argument instructions :-P 12:43:05 power to price they are a LITTLE bit more expensive than a pic but they are orders of magnitude more pleasureable to develop for lol 12:43:22 tathi not always :P~ 12:43:34 thats not a definition for risc :P~ 12:43:46 mark4: No, that was a joke. Nice to have though. 12:43:53 Does make the instructions bigger 12:44:04 Ya, PIC is an ugly little bugger 12:44:24 pic is flawed to the point of being crippled 12:44:34 And their datasheets are very bad 12:44:40 68K is still one of my favorite processors 12:45:02 and the AVR looks substantially similar 12:45:02 put a breakpoint on instructon and watch it execute 2 opcodes beyond where you placed your breakpoint because it has to come to a SCREEEEEEEECHING halt 12:45:09 heh 12:45:24 they say put 2 nops before or after where you want to stop 12:45:28 they call it a SKID BUCKET 12:45:57 :) 12:46:02 if you have a project that needs a processor that has no more than 1k totall of code space or only has 6 pins then pic is the way to go 12:46:20 any more complex than that and pic is horrendous and will give you nightmares 12:46:41 scar you for life! 12:46:47 I do remember thinking it was cool when they came out with the PIC in an 8-pin DIP. 12:46:57 And now they are butchering a MIPS core :) 12:47:00 PIC32 12:47:06 pic32 isnt pic 12:47:08 is mips 12:47:11 its 12:49:01 tathi go look at www.adafruit.com and click on the "microtouch" link 12:49:19 the bottom item in that list is going to be my next purchase from them when its back in stock 12:49:54 then ill rewrite its entire demo rom in forth and add BUNCHES more crap lol 12:50:27 That looks like a fun toy 12:50:30 ya 12:50:44 i have the atmega32u4 breakout board from them that uses the same processor 12:51:12 ALL their shit is "fun" tho most of it is arduino 12:51:24 i.e. labotomized avr's with training wheels 12:51:51 for the "i want to play but i haz no skillz" people 12:52:11 Er...why did they use a non-polarized plug for the battery connector? 12:52:58 there was a guy in #avr earlier who asked people to take a look at his school project. it was an autonomous toy ship with an arduino processor. the entire thing was coded in object obfuscated c++ 12:53:13 no idea. that could cause problems with the charger if u guzinta it backwards 12:53:38 i jiust bought a DSO Quad o-scope 12:54:01 if you get one be VERY VERY careful when putting the battery in, the people that made the battery fucked some of them up and transposed the wires 12:54:08 so BLACK is + on some of them 12:54:53 --- part: anthonylodge left #forth 12:55:24 lol 12:55:41 luckilly not mine because i just blindly assembled it 12:55:42 phew 12:55:56 :) 12:56:07 mental note to self: RTFM first! 12:57:02 i need to rewrite my avr forth kernel though, to do that microtouch it would probably work better if it was native not direct threaded 12:57:27 ill finish the usb cdc first tho 12:57:36 i dont see the native compilation as a problem 12:57:54 Hrm. the microtouch page says "Accelerometers can detect motion, and tilt." Then it says it has a 3-axis accelerometer. So...which is it, linear, or rotational? 12:58:10 lol 12:58:16 maybe both 12:58:46 The data sheet for the part just says X/Y/Z. 12:59:07 right so it can detect movement in any of those 12:59:12 Hrm...maybe you can determine tilt by trying to detect which direction gravity is coming from? That seems a bit sketchy. 12:59:13 rotational movement will be in 2 of them 12:59:28 im guessing tho 13:00:13 or maybe it has 2 of each sensor built in so it can detect rotational movement? 13:00:20 ive no freeking idea how those things work anyway lo;l 13:00:42 Oh, apparently you *do* detect gravity -- freescale has an appnote "Tilt sensing using linear accelerometers" 13:01:01 cool 13:01:51 I assume they're piezo-electric -- that's how the early ones worked, I know. Has a micro-machined weight on a piezo-electric support -- acceleration bends the piezoelectric element and produces an electric signal. 13:02:16 aha 13:06:15 --- join: JoshGrams (~josh@dsl-216-227-95-32.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 13:06:16 --- quit: tathi (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:06:31 --- nick: JoshGrams -> tathi 13:06:57 Gah. Dunno what that was. 13:07:10 i can see edge effects on his rotating cube thingie. he is doing a wire frame and then filling in the faces but the fill doesnt overwrite the wireframe 13:07:32 ? 13:07:42 thers a video of the microtouch in action 13:07:45 Ah. 13:07:51 one of his demo apps on there rotates some 3d thingie 13:07:56 gotcha. 13:07:59 but its wire frame then filled in for solid look 13:08:07 the fill does not overwrite the pixles of the frame 13:08:18 so you get edge effects as it rotates 13:08:29 I need to go do evening animal chores, BBIAB. 13:57:30 Back 14:02:31 WB 14:09:22 I don't understand how they're displaying pictures and such on the Microtouch 14:09:45 yea it has to have some sort of video accelerator on there somewhere 14:09:58 320x240x16-bits is 150KB 14:10:07 the AVR only has 2.5 :) 14:10:30 lol true story. i didnt actally look at the specs just its ubber geekyness lol 14:11:00 Yeah, it looks pretty cool. 14:12:56 not quite as cool as the PI but still cool :) 14:17:43 I like that it has a display. I dunno that I have something I could plug the Raspberry Pi or similar devices into. 14:18:30 cant u get hdmi to dvi converters? cuz then u can convert the dvi to vga lol 14:20:32 Ya, I suppose. 14:20:41 The nD also looks cool: http://the-nd.com/ 14:22:40 selling at cost? 14:23:55 I have no idea how much it actually costs to get this stuff built -- seems awfully low though. 14:24:51 mark4, maybe you already know this somewhat old article ? 14:24:57 http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/euroforth/ef99/thomas99a.pdf 14:26:10 erm yea i kinda of dont like machine forth. its NOT forth in the same way ans forth is not forth in the same way colorforth is not forth 14:26:32 but ruben thomas is a good forth coder 14:26:39 ive seen some of his work before 14:29:17 i sort of started to do an arm forth for my nintendo ds a while bac 14:29:29 never completed it thou, wasnt happy with having to use the gnu assembler 14:29:35 :) 14:29:38 and was too lazy to make my own lol 14:29:50 i want that arm assembler and a mips assembler too 14:29:58 think ill probably do the mips asm first tho 14:30:19 Is the raspberry going to go the way ?;) 14:30:26 bootstrat a mips forth for my router using isforth and just have it self sustaining once i get it that far 14:30:40 i def want one of those lol 14:31:00 pity it wont fit in an altoids tin! 14:31:15 altoids? 14:31:59 oh I see 15:37:15 --- quit: xpololz (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 16:45:24 --- quit: borkman (Remote host closed the connection) 16:45:38 --- join: borkman (~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net) joined #forth 19:45:51 --- quit: tathi (Quit: leaving) 20:46:59 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-178-004-017-214.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 21:44:38 --- join: kidfoo (~kidfoo@49.204.23.244) joined #forth 21:44:50 --- quit: kidfoo (Changing host) 21:44:50 --- join: kidfoo (~kidfoo@unaffiliated/neenaoffline) joined #forth 22:22:59 --- quit: mark4 (Quit: Leaving) 22:27:30 --- quit: nighty- (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:09:06 --- join: ygrek (~user@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 23:36:12 --- quit: foxes (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 23:50:00 --- join: Fox78 (~fox@123.118.152.66) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/11.12.04