00:00:00 --- log: started forth/11.11.30 00:13:30 --- join: ASau` (~user@95-27-132-224.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 00:17:06 --- quit: ASau (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 00:31:55 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.50.248) joined #forth 00:52:52 --- quit: Bahman (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 01:52:17 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@58.56.112.83) joined #forth 03:07:03 --- quit: ttmrichter (Read error: Connection timed out) 03:07:59 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@61.184.205.201) joined #forth 03:39:42 --- quit: foxes (Remote host closed the connection) 03:40:20 --- join: Fox78 (~fox@123.115.214.180) joined #forth 04:41:38 --- join: MoALTz_ (~no@host-92-8-227-164.as43234.net) joined #forth 04:43:31 --- quit: MoALTz (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 04:53:54 --- join: haole_ (~chatzilla@2001:1291:262:1:b1b0:582:f87d:9ba3) joined #forth 04:54:22 --- quit: haole_ (Client Quit) 04:54:48 --- join: haole_ (~chatzilla@2001:1291:262:1:b1b0:582:f87d:9ba3) joined #forth 05:00:06 --- nick: haole_ -> haole 05:56:52 --- join: haole_ (~chatzilla@c9066591.static.spo.virtua.com.br) joined #forth 05:57:53 --- quit: haole (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 06:06:57 --- join: Bahman (~Bahman@2.146.50.248) joined #forth 06:08:25 --- quit: Bahman (Client Quit) 06:28:58 --- quit: ttmrichter (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 07:14:48 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 07:32:11 --- quit: haole_ (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]) 07:32:37 --- join: haole (~chatzilla@c9066591.static.spo.virtua.com.br) joined #forth 08:40:51 --- join: nighty-- (~nighty@static-68-179-124-161.ptr.terago.net) joined #forth 08:53:46 --- quit: haole (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 8.0/20111104165243]) 09:20:44 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:53:33 --- quit: probonono (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:54:16 --- join: probonono (~User@ppp103-111.static.internode.on.net) joined #forth 09:54:25 --- quit: probonono (Changing host) 09:54:25 --- join: probonono (~User@unaffiliated/probonono) joined #forth 10:34:16 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 11:15:05 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:57:29 --- quit: kidfoo (Remote host closed the connection) 13:18:39 --- join: kidfoo (~neena@76.73.121.203) joined #forth 14:31:40 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@58.56.112.85) joined #forth 14:49:11 --- quit: nighty-- (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 15:13:38 --- join: mtm_ (~mtm@adsl-99-48-184-49.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined #forth 15:15:15 --- join: mtm- (~mtm@70.36.243.194) joined #forth 15:16:16 --- quit: mtm (Read error: Operation timed out) 15:18:37 --- quit: mtm_ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 15:21:10 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: Leaving) 17:41:58 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@61.184.206.217) joined #forth 17:55:25 Hello 17:56:03 anyone made a forth for Arduino & cie ? 17:57:59 maybe something on he raspberry_pi ? 17:58:11 maybe something on the raspberry_pi ? 18:19:43 --- join: mark4 (~mark4@24-183-5-217.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined #forth 19:42:34 --- join: nighty__ (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 19:42:46 --- quit: nighty__ (Client Quit) 19:55:20 --- join: nighty__ (~nighty@69-165-220-105.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined #forth 20:20:16 I found FlashForth 20:20:21 looks pretty nice 20:20:29 Any opinion ? 20:21:55 Anybody looked at making a multitasking forth for the Duinomite ? 20:22:11 or the Maple ? 20:23:01 The Maple + a Gameduino ought to be a fun platform for Forth people no ? 20:37:56 what is flashforth? 20:38:19 im doing an AVR forth. actually i already have 99% of it done 20:38:30 my avr assembler works with ALL non tiny avr devices 20:38:51 tho i only have a definitions file for the atmega32u4 so far 20:40:25 yea im not impressed with flashforth. its written in C. thats NOT a forth 20:40:30 thats a damned abomination. 20:40:42 no real forth coder would ever write any kind of a forth in C 20:45:47 erm maybe its not written in c ? 20:45:58 cept i cant find any atmega asm sources 20:49:15 mark4, does it work with XMEGA ? 20:49:58 well theres like 4 opcodes i didnt add to the assembler because the documentation i had didnt describe them at all but yes it will work with xmega 20:50:13 but im not releasing it yet 20:50:14 Wow cool 20:50:41 Let me know when you release it 20:50:44 planning on giving a free direct threaded version away to adafruit and doing a native version of it to sell 20:51:08 oh you will sell it ? 20:51:21 dunno. dont have a native version of it yet lol 20:51:28 and i need to write the CDC 20:51:36 the intent is to teather via the usb 20:51:42 you mean native to xmega ? 20:51:46 all compilation done on host 20:51:54 native as in subroutine threaded 20:52:04 host meaning PC ? 20:52:08 yup 20:52:24 host does compiles. then does wites reads or executes on the target 20:52:41 I hope you are not going to make me use Windows 20:52:44 target at boot can decide if thers an application or not 20:52:53 i dont code windows 20:52:57 Good 20:52:59 it uses isforth }:) 20:53:08 the avr assembler is in isforth 20:53:21 isforth uhmm never used it 20:53:37 wtf! lol 20:53:46 its my x86 linux forth 20:53:56 NOT ans 20:54:27 hey sorry 20:54:31 lol 20:54:49 can it run on OpenBSD ? 20:54:53 i only have an adafruit atmega32u4 breakout board 20:55:04 erm. it used to have a fbsd version but that wont run any more 20:55:06 I have all kind of boards 20:55:16 if you want to try to get it working that would be cool 20:55:36 oh http://24.183.5.217/svn 20:55:44 I have Pic32Kit Max32 20:55:54 thats my websvn. ull see both isforth and the avr froth there but ypu wont be able to view the avr forth from websvn 20:55:59 NOBODY can, not even me 20:56:12 Atmel xmega xplainedA3BU 20:56:31 xplainedA1 20:56:39 http://24.183.5.217:8081 there lol not /svn 20:56:52 i removed that method. you have to use :8081 to get to my websvn now 20:57:28 you want me to try and make it work on OpenBSD ? 20:57:40 im very seriously thinking of making isforth abort with a "use a terminal thats not riddled with bugs" any time anyone runs isforth in a gnome terminal 20:57:49 erm let me see where the old FBSD version is 20:58:06 but its OOOOLLLLDDDD 20:58:18 No don't want it 20:58:23 I want the new stuff 20:58:32 kk yea starting from scratch might be better 20:58:43 how familiar are you at coding asm in openbsd? 20:59:24 u can download the latest released version of isforth at www.isforth.com but thats SLIGHTLY older than whats in websvn. only slightly tho 20:59:56 mark4, I am not familiar at all with that 21:00:10 mark4, but what would be the difference ? 21:00:20 you are not using any OS specifics 21:00:24 it seems 21:00:25 the isforth kernel is 100% pure assembler 21:00:41 i am. you cant use the isforth kernel for linux inside openbsd 21:00:49 they do systemcall parameter passing totally different 21:00:59 ok 21:01:28 also.isforth does not make any use of any external libraries. everything is done by direct system calls into the kernel 21:01:38 wow 21:02:03 so making it run in *bsd wont exactly be trivial 21:02:08 I see 21:02:16 too bad 21:02:54 Well I guess I can use my Ubuntu box to use it then 21:02:55 maybe u should learn asm :) 21:03:06 until I figure out how to port it to OpenBSD 21:03:12 heh 21:03:16 mark4, I should certainly 21:03:40 mark4, but I need someone to help me learn 21:03:56 if you code avr assembler you can code intel assembler 21:04:08 really ? 21:04:22 they are not the same 21:04:26 but they use the same concepts 21:04:33 tho. avr is risc and x86 isnt 21:04:40 Yeah 21:04:59 Well at the moment I use C 21:05:03 if you downloaded the isforth sources you could read them EASY. ive had people who dont code either forth or assembler say they can read and understand my sources 21:05:03 unfortunately 21:06:35 I did not download yet 21:07:11 what is your repositories URL ? 21:07:14 have u ever used adafruit? 21:07:30 adafruit ? the shop ? 21:07:32 http://24.183.5.217:8081 but thas only to view the sources 21:07:35 yes 21:07:40 yes 21:07:52 to download you would go to www.isforth.com and click on the download link 21:08:24 alot of what they sell was designed by their founter. ladyada. 21:08:32 and she is HOT! amg 21:08:37 lol 21:09:14 :) 21:09:23 itwas her that offered the $2000 reward for writing drivers for M$ kinect or what ever its called. when M$ said that would be unauthorized hacking she upped the prize to $3000 21:09:25 If you like that kind of girl 21:09:38 then you ought to like nixie pixel too 21:09:38 smarter than me? lol 21:09:52 who is nixie pixel? 21:10:07 google it 21:10:35 lol i found her facebook. she looks cute :) 21:12:31 Geekiest thing I have ever done: Repositioned the Xbox and TV in front of the elliptical machine so I can work out and simultaneously play Call of Duty! 21:12:47 ugh no. ladyada is an EE and a damned good one 21:14:09 or Jerri Elsworth 21:14:42 Jeri 21:15:12 She made the C-ONE 21:15:17 yea 21:17:21 dunno any of those, just know ladyada from adafruit 21:17:28 http://c64upgra.de/c-one/ 21:17:34 ya i googled her lol 21:17:41 she has a brain for sure :) 21:18:00 she is lesbian too :( 21:18:07 me too! 21:18:09 }:) 21:18:34 good then :) 21:19:03 you have a wide variety of choices :) 21:19:33 lol 21:19:43 none in close proximity :/ 21:22:20 how would you support DSP like instruction in an ARM MCU like the Cortex M4F ? 21:22:59 they encode differently - arm has different FPU's yu just use an opcode specific to the DSP no? 21:22:59 I mean in your FORTH 21:23:18 oh an arm fortth is on the todo. and a mips 21:23:26 Yes they specific OP code 21:23:36 mips asm will be VERY easy compared to arm tho 21:23:43 writing the assembler i mean 21:23:44 but would you support it with a set of predefined WORDS ? 21:23:52 probably not 21:24:06 well 21:24:26 if u look at isforth i dont have one word for every possible system call 21:24:35 but i give u the ability to add any i didnt define 21:24:50 I c 21:26:34 I am just wondering also how to have TCP/IP support 21:26:40 on AVR 21:26:47 with your forth 21:26:52 u have an avr with a ethernet module? 21:26:58 Yes 21:27:05 and Wifi too 21:27:15 I am making a Wifi module 21:27:33 ! 21:27:42 for a variety of MCUs 21:28:36 SPI based 21:28:52 The module is an SPI slave 21:29:03 the MCU has to be SPI master 21:29:30 aha 21:30:40 and have a TCP/IP stack 21:32:07 --- quit: kidfoo (Changing host) 21:32:07 --- join: kidfoo (~neena@unaffiliated/neenaoffline) joined #forth 21:32:11 i would think that having words to handle SPI , I2C ,CAN 21:32:17 would useful 21:32:24 would be useful 21:32:36 yea i will need to do them 21:33:49 UART too 21:34:14 in fact I was thinking of using a gameduino as well 21:34:38 im in the middle of doing uart. spi is done, am also looing at usb cdc 21:34:40 but your system of having the editing and compiling on the host PC 21:34:46 defeats this 21:34:49 somewhat 21:34:56 except for graphics 21:35:06 no it doesnt defeat anything 21:35:17 the target will be able to RUN the code thats compiled on the host 21:36:12 yes I understand 21:36:24 but you can not have a self contained system 21:36:33 you need the host PC to program it 21:36:49 only to program 21:37:01 once programmed its self contained 21:37:19 so you can extend it without reprogramming it ? 21:37:36 no u extend it with ur app and reboot 21:37:39 and code within the target device itself ? 21:38:01 I see 21:38:27 I guess if we looked at the raspberry pi 21:38:50 as a target you would then change your way of thinking somewhat 21:39:03 because the board has 256MB of RAM 21:39:11 and an SD Card 21:39:22 and can boot from the SD 21:39:45 no i would simply have it run out of ram. boot to flash move kernel to ram. then run out of ram 21:40:39 I guess I am thinking of more a FORTH machine 21:40:53 where everything is done from FORTH 21:41:08 with some OS like WORDS 21:41:21 even to launch and run multiple tasks 21:41:32 including at boot time 21:41:49 I should say a FORTH OS more like 21:41:53 how much flash does it have 21:42:03 32GB :) 21:42:10 if you want 21:42:23 thats not embedded :P~ 21:42:46 well 21:43:33 my desktop pc doesnt even have 32g 21:43:44 as I said it would more a FORTH machine and OS 21:43:57 it is another concept 21:44:05 for sure it is not an MCU 21:44:20 it has a Cortex A8 700Mhz 21:44:25 dual core 21:44:30 ! 21:44:33 uhmm no 21:44:33 how much does that cost? 21:44:37 single core 21:44:43 35$ 21:44:50 wtf wtih 32g of ram? 21:44:56 no 21:44:58 Flash 21:45:04 i meant flash lol 21:45:05 Ram is 256MB 21:45:13 yea. erm tahts like way fucking cheap 21:45:17 you can put an SD 21:45:35 http://www.raspberrypi.org/ 21:46:20 ill have to get one of those :) 21:46:33 Yes 21:47:31 ugh it has a broadcom chip 21:47:37 yes 21:47:48 this is the CPU 21:47:52 ARM 21:48:12 it can do 1080p HDMI 21:48:20 ! 21:48:39 its not a broadcom wifi chip thats the actual arm? 21:48:44 yes 21:48:46 no wifi 21:48:49 only Ethernet 21:49:01 Wifi can be added by you if you want thru SPI 21:49:04 or USB 21:49:21 it is powered by USB port 21:49:55 size of a credit card 21:50:01 the whole board 21:50:43 its available NOW? 21:50:58 To have a full OS made entirely in FORTH would be neat 21:51:26 it will be available any day now 21:51:41 in december it seems 21:52:37 The screen will cost more than the device itself :) 21:53:48 This is why I was talking about a FORTH machine / FORTH OS for it 21:54:22 a bit like the ACE a long long time ago 21:54:41 except with multitasking possibilities 21:54:45 --- join: mark4_ (~mark4@24-183-5-217.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) joined #forth 21:54:50 oops 21:54:51 stupid video crashed dammit 21:55:13 was about to say 21:55:17 i just bought a dsi quad 21:55:26 what is that ? 21:55:26 bleh 21:55:30 dso quad 21:55:34 google it :) 21:55:58 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 21:56:16 Oh Yeah I know that 21:56:24 not enough for what I do 21:56:33 I bought a Rigol DS4054 21:57:32 its enough for me :) 21:57:38 and was onluy 200 21:57:48 If you are only looking at low speed stuff 21:57:49 sure 21:57:55 but even that 21:57:57 i will be 21:58:04 the resolution is low 21:58:28 so you will not be doing any analog work with this baby 21:58:51 like precision analog I mean 21:59:06 it is nice to carry around and stuff I guess 21:59:14 for quickies 21:59:29 for sure you can't beat the price 21:59:59 gabotronics also has some neat gadgets 22:01:20 :) 22:02:51 this screen come from OSDisplay 22:03:02 and New Haven Displays 22:03:05 OLED 22:03:23 which screen? 22:03:44 gabotronics 22:03:47 stuff 22:03:52 aha 22:03:54 they are COG OLED 22:04:31 cool 22:04:50 SPI driven 22:05:04 Driver is on the Glass 22:05:14 COG Chip On Glass 22:05:23 wow feds seize 32 TONNS of marijuana... . . 22:05:26 on fox news 22:05:30 dot com that is 22:05:35 32 Tons 22:05:37 wow 22:05:41 yea 32 tons 22:05:51 They seized their on stash :) 22:05:56 They seized their own stash :) 22:05:59 lol 22:06:04 makes for good PR :P~ 22:06:16 I guess 22:07:05 the stash they reimported from mexico after having sold it to the cartel:) 22:07:26 double wammy! 22:07:36 lol 22:07:54 well the feds cant get away with selling guns to the cartels any more 22:07:57 they got caught 22:08:32 yep 22:08:41 <-- gun nut :P~ 22:08:45 what state u in btw? 22:08:46 but i am sure they still doing it 22:08:57 mark4_, I am in Canada 22:09:06 aha 22:09:06 mark4_, Toronto 22:09:21 im currently in wisconsin 22:10:07 Not too far I guess 22:10:18 Near Michigan 22:10:19 im too far north thats for sure :) 22:10:28 on other side of lake to it 22:11:04 Like which town ? 22:11:10 It snowed here today 22:11:11 sheboygan 22:11:26 im waiting on first snow here 22:11:32 looking forward to it lol 22:11:38 near Appleton 22:11:52 http://www.adafruit.com/products/330 <-- thats gona be my next geek toy 22:12:02 and Fond du lac 22:12:26 u know the area or are u looking it up lol 22:12:42 Yep that one is pretty nice 22:12:55 mark4_, I know a little bit 22:12:58 its a 32u4 which my forth already supports fully 22:13:09 tho i NEED the cdc 22:13:13 mark4_, I am not Canadian 22:13:16 mark4_, I am French 22:13:21 aha 22:13:24 where in france? 22:13:27 Reims 22:13:34 Champagne Area 22:13:36 i grew up in england, my ex gf is from saumur 22:14:05 lol small world :) 22:14:19 i also travel alot lol 22:14:21 good wine in saumur :) 22:14:36 tho i wont get on an aircraft ever again without i have a fully loaded 1911 on my hip 22:14:40 open carry 22:14:52 no gun? no sale on that ticket. period 22:15:13 boss tells me. i need you in east podunk tomorrow and my answer is then i better get driving now. see ya 22:15:25 you can not take a gun on international flight 22:15:42 you cant take on on a domestic flight either, not strapped to your hip 22:16:10 why do you need a gun ? 22:16:16 You just like it ? 22:16:28 ask the people on those aircraft on 9/11 22:16:46 oh I see 22:17:08 but shooting a gun in an aircraft can be as dangerous as the crash itself 22:17:13 no 22:17:20 no? 22:17:20 thers no such thing as explosive decomplression 22:17:20 a 22:17:30 and thers something called frangible ammunition 22:17:37 disintegrates on contact with the fuselage 22:17:44 does not penetrate at all 22:18:03 I am not an expert at all 22:18:07 also wont OVER penetrate the terrorist and hit someone else behind him 22:18:12 I used to hunt in France 22:18:16 thats about all 22:18:16 im not an EXPERT. but i study it 22:18:35 i know the operation of, the legal implecations of using and the history of my guns 22:19:10 ok I must go to sleep noz 22:19:12 now 22:19:16 yea me too lol 22:19:21 work tomorrow 22:19:26 I hope you can finish your forth for AVR soon 22:19:37 im not rushing it 22:19:38 and that I will be able to use it 22:19:43 and i dont know ifwhen ill release 22:19:55 ok 22:19:58 bfn 22:20:01 ttyl 22:20:08 wont release the version i have now till its finished and i have the native version of it :) 22:20:10 nite :) 22:20:21 :) 22:20:27 --- quit: mark4_ (Quit: Leaving) 22:24:53 --- quit: nighty__ (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 22:48:37 --- quit: Fox78 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 22:50:14 --- join: Fox78 (~fox@123.115.214.180) joined #forth 23:18:18 --- quit: Fox78 (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 23:18:45 --- join: Fox78 (~fox@123.115.214.180) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/11.11.30