00:00:00 --- log: started forth/11.05.28 00:00:42 Even archaic FreeBSD provides sane text mode text editor in base system for years, 00:00:57 almost all other systems did that before. 00:02:07 if you are a veteran emacs user you should know that arguing vim vs emacs is pointless 00:02:23 we'll never convince each other 00:03:19 so why not talk about forth instead? :) 00:05:21 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@5356B263.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 00:06:25 I used vi for a long time before I switched. 00:06:47 vi is to vim as notepad is to emacs 00:06:55 vim is the same suckage. 00:07:17 i'm not going to get in to an editor war 00:07:22 sorry to disappoint 00:08:18 Comparing TECO Emacs to modern Emacs has the same relation to vi to vim comparison. 00:08:21 It's completely unrelated. 00:08:29 vi and vim are basically the same shit. 00:09:01 You can't use gforth.info neither in vi nor in vim. 00:09:30 there are vim info browsers 00:09:53 And Emacs user can use info files easier and better than in stock info. 00:10:15 that's great 00:10:18 Plus, there exists Forth support, which is useful not only for gforth. 00:10:28 you know, it's not like i think emacs sucks or anything 00:10:32 i have respect for it 00:10:38 it's just not for me 00:10:58 maybe if i was willing to spend 10 years in learning it.. 00:11:13 but i know vim well enough, and that's where i'm going to stay 00:11:23 so you're really completely wasting your time trying to sell me on emacs 00:11:28 It took only a week or two to start using it at the same level as in vi. 00:11:36 if you want to rant about how much vim sucks, and how great emacs is, be my guest 00:11:46 but i'm not going to get dragged in to an editor war 00:12:49 if we'd just avoided the whole topic, our interaction would have been much more pleasant 00:14:04 that's another reason not to get in to editor wars.. not only are they a complete waste of time.. but they get people emotionally worked up and angry at each other where they could otherwise have perfectly pleasant interactions 00:14:42 There're more reasons to get into editor wars. 00:14:55 maybe for newbies 00:15:13 who could learn a thing or two about the editors in question 00:15:32 but not in my case.. and probably not in yours 00:15:38 Tell which editor you prefer, and it says more things than 00:15:38 one can learn in hours talking about Forth nonsense. 00:16:02 well, talking about forth nonsense is valuable to me, as i know very little about it 00:16:10 so at least that's useful to one of us 00:16:22 arguing about vim vs emacs benefits neither of us 00:16:30 as we've both probably heard it all before 00:17:18 anyway, this is #forth, right? 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