00:00:00 --- log: started forth/11.05.05 00:03:15 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:04:20 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:23:15 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:25:32 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 00:51:26 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 00:53:31 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 01:01:52 --- quit: fantazo (Remote host closed the connection) 01:19:40 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #forth 01:45:41 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:46:56 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:57:11 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 01:59:03 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:03:11 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:04:39 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:09:11 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:11:27 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:28:00 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:28:38 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:31:35 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:32:38 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:41:45 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 02:42:38 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 02:57:50 --- quit: roarde (Quit: Leaving) 02:59:58 --- join: Triplefault (~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-164.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 05:22:01 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@221.234.156.62) joined #forth 05:27:26 --- join: gogonkt (~gogonkt@183.27.208.228) joined #forth 06:12:35 --- quit: Joseph_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:13:45 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 06:56:06 --- quit: nighty (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 06:57:31 --- join: nighty (~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 07:21:47 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 07:32:20 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@5356B263.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 07:35:51 --- quit: Triplefault (Quit: Leaving) 07:55:09 --- quit: Joseph_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:05:09 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 08:40:21 --- quit: ttmrichter (Quit: No wonder these puppets are always in a lousy mood.) 09:29:32 Howdy guys 09:31:34 ow 10:16:02 crc, is there a way to load core.rx without a prior image? 10:43:35 --- quit: Joseph_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 10:45:02 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 10:50:33 --- quit: qFox (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:29:31 --- join: impomatic (~chatzilla@84.93.186.86) joined #forth 11:41:01 --- quit: MoALTz (Quit: Leaving) 14:08:18 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 14:39:28 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 () 15:00:16 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@221.234.156.62) joined #forth 15:04:02 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-188-107-196-110.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 15:58:39 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:01:12 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 16:23:52 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 () 16:33:47 --- quit: ttmrichter (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 16:58:26 appamatto: no 16:58:52 there are no current ways to build an image apart from using an existing image 16:59:37 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 16:59:56 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@119.97.23.85) joined #forth 17:00:20 --- join: Bops (opop@r190-132-69-38.dialup.mobile.ancel.net.uy) joined #forth 17:00:28 --- part: Bops left #forth 17:00:42 --- join: qwp (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/qwp) joined #forth 17:01:08 --- join: Bops (opop@r190-132-69-38.dialup.mobile.ancel.net.uy) joined #forth 17:01:35 --- part: Bops left #forth 17:01:55 --- join: tlvb (~leo@c-83-233-156-114.cust.bredband2.com) joined #forth 17:02:06 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 17:02:10 --- part: qwp left #forth 17:04:26 Are there any good resources on getting to understand compilation/interpretation semantics and how to use them properly? I'm reading the gforth manual currently, but I can't get e.g. http://pastie.org/1869964 to work, and more importantly I don't know /why/ 17:05:50 I will probably go to sleep soon, but I'll idle 17:07:09 --- join: zzing (~zzing@CPE0024369fd268-CM0012254195d6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 17:15:40 --- quit: gogonkt (Read error: Operation timed out) 17:23:27 --- join: tathi (~josh@dsl-216-227-95-5.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 17:23:54 tlvb: it compiles fine for me... 17:28:25 Are you doing anything screwy in `node+` ? 17:39:13 tathi: nope, unless you consider : node+ 2 cells + @ ; screwy 17:50:21 --- join: TeruFSX (~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net) joined #forth 17:50:58 hrm. And it doesn't work for you on gforth? 17:56:20 nope 17:57:01 Weird. I can't see any reason why it shouldn't. 17:58:20 it is on a newly started interpreter session too, so the environment should not be messed up from some earlier compile/interpreter noodle incident either 17:59:33 Does it work if you replace [map-begin] and [map-end] with the things they're supposed to compile? 18:00:43 yes, removing the postpones 18:01:54 I don't know what else to say...I just tried it on gforth, pfe, pforth, and SP-Forth, and it works fine everywhere for me. 18:02:24 that is actually how I started, since I wanted to make a more generic structure to base map implementations that work either on the node data or the nodes themselves off of. 18:02:29 sure 18:03:18 just in case, what is your gforth version? 18:03:35 compiled from CVS, not sure when exactly. 18:03:38 post 0.7.0 18:04:34 mine says 0.7.0 at the start 18:04:54 They haven't changed much since 0.7.0 that I know of -- minor stuff here and there. 18:05:23 yeah, I wouldn't expect the version difference to be the source 18:05:24 If you take out those two lines so it does compile, and do `see map`, does it compile the right things? 18:05:40 yes 18:07:57 hmm, I may have done a terrible blunder though 18:08:55 That's the only other thing i can think of.... ;) 18:11:49 hehe 18:13:40 --- quit: tathi (Read error: Operation timed out) 18:15:06 --- join: tathi (~josh@dsl-216-227-95-5.fairpoint.net) joined #forth 18:15:15 yep... now it compiled... The error was entirely on my part, earlier versions of the code had other errors, and when I restarted gforth to give it a clean environment I forgot to add the node+ definition 18:15:41 unfortunately that happens a lot when programming... 18:15:57 and I didn't scrutinize the error output enough to notice that the error had changed 18:16:52 yeah 18:18:15 thankyou for your time and help 18:19:04 sure 18:24:51 --- quit: TeruFSX (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 18:39:01 --- quit: tathi (Quit: leaving) 18:42:35 --- join: Triplefault (~Mouse@adsl-72-145-215-164.asm.bellsouth.net) joined #forth 18:49:36 --- join: TeruFSX (~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net) joined #forth 20:00:15 --- quit: ASau (Remote host closed the connection) 20:00:48 --- join: ASau` (~user@93-80-248-41.broadband.corbina.ru) joined #forth 20:10:04 --- quit: grai_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 20:10:17 --- join: grai (~grai@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) joined #forth 20:10:38 --- quit: zzing (Remote host closed the connection) 20:19:51 --- join: TeruFSX2 (~quassel@71-210-136-53.mpls.qwest.net) joined #forth 20:47:56 --- quit: ttmrichter (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 21:04:02 --- join: roarde (~roarde@pdpc/supporter/active/roarde) joined #forth 21:09:51 I just now heard about Jeff Fox. 21:10:45 What about him? 21:11:15 According to Chuck Moore's blog, he has passed away from a heart attack. 21:11:42 Oh. 21:13:28 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:16:21 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:18:41 --- join: ttmrichter (~ttmrichte@221.234.156.62) joined #forth 21:23:59 Why does chuck moore think so highly of his chips? 21:24:24 The only reason they work is becuase he has a virtually non-existant amount of memory so it can put it all in sram. 21:24:34 And make it single cycle. 21:25:08 I do not see the gains over something like the arm m0 or something. 21:25:57 Apparently they're not good enough for Chuck. He's redesigning the core. 21:26:23 He always is. 21:26:33 But they never seem to turn out impressive. 21:26:43 I mean, forth, and some of the ideas in forth chips are impressive. 21:26:53 But the chips themselves are kinda pathetic. 21:29:50 Apparently, he finds designing his own chips easier than RTFM to program someone else's. 21:30:00 Can't say I disagree. 21:31:09 Ugh. 21:35:39 --- quit: roarde (Quit: Leaving) 21:40:51 Man, where do I drop off my son and pick up my laptop from OLPC? 21:44:47 --- join: gogonkt (~gogonkt@183.27.208.228) joined #forth 21:48:19 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 21:50:44 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 21:56:10 --- quit: gogonkt (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:03:47 --- join: gogonkt (~gogonkt@183.27.208.228) joined #forth 22:18:16 --- quit: TeruFSX2 (Remote host closed the connection) 22:22:49 --- quit: TeruFSX (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 22:23:31 --- quit: gogonkt (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:27:30 --- quit: Triplefault (Quit: Leaving) 22:41:44 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:44:43 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:45:13 --- join: gogonkt (~gogonkt@183.27.208.228) joined #forth 22:45:14 --- join: grai_ (~grai@38.70.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) joined #forth 22:45:54 --- quit: grai (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 22:50:07 --- quit: gogonkt (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:53:24 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 22:55:07 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 22:59:13 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:01:31 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:05:04 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:07:54 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:09:32 --- quit: impomatic (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 3.5.18/20110319140258]) 23:20:51 --- join: imrehg (~imrehg@140.109.113.62) joined #forth 23:23:18 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:25:30 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:31:28 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:33:30 --- quit: Joseph_ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:35:08 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:37:30 --- quit: Joseph__ (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:40:41 --- join: cromartie-x588 (~cromartie@24.229.243.68.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net) joined #forth 23:40:52 --- part: cromartie-x588 left #forth 23:41:22 --- join: Joseph_ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:43:54 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 23:49:34 --- quit: imrehg (Quit: Leaving) 23:59:22 --- join: Joseph__ (~Joseph@c-68-84-165-215.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/11.05.05