00:00:00 --- log: started forth/10.12.02 00:19:11 --- quit: schmrkc (Read error: Operation timed out) 00:19:14 --- join: schmrkc (~marcus@c83-254-197-212.bredband.comhem.se) joined #forth 00:19:15 --- quit: schmrkc (Changing host) 00:19:15 --- join: schmrkc (~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme) joined #forth 00:52:46 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@5356B263.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 01:40:45 --- quit: segher (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:42:19 --- join: segher (~segher@5ED3C3A7.cm-7-4d.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 02:07:56 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 02:25:07 --- quit: MayDaniel (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 03:55:46 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 05:36:29 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 06:47:28 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 07:33:35 --- quit: MayDaniel () 07:37:21 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08:34:31 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 08:38:51 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@caen-dc-141-212-237-65.wireless.engin.umich.edu) joined #forth 08:57:31 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 08:57:43 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@caen-dc-141-212-237-65.wireless.engin.umich.edu) joined #forth 09:15:24 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:40:54 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 10:02:12 --- quit: MayDaniel () 10:17:59 --- quit: C-Keen (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10:18:04 --- join: C-Keen (ckeen@pestilenz.org) joined #forth 10:33:46 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:45:33 --- quit: schmrkc (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 10:45:37 --- join: schmrkc (~marcus@c83-254-197-212.bredband.comhem.se) joined #forth 10:45:38 --- quit: schmrkc (Changing host) 10:45:38 --- join: schmrkc (~marcus@sxemacs/devel/schme) joined #forth 10:59:51 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@caen-cse-141-212-202-92.wireless.engin.umich.edu) joined #forth 11:29:58 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 11:55:33 --- join: MayDaniel (~MayDaniel@unaffiliated/maydaniel) joined #forth 12:01:00 --- join: kar8nga (~kar8nga@k-173.vc-graz.ac.at) joined #forth 12:07:39 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@2002:8dd4:ca5c::8dd4:ca5c) joined #forth 12:25:10 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote host closed the connection) 12:55:50 --- quit: MayDaniel (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:26:28 --- join: kedorlaomer (~user@vpn-ssl-31-189.rz.uni-frankfurt.de) joined #forth 13:30:03 --- quit: kedorlaomer (Remote host closed the connection) 13:47:05 --- join: kar8nga (~kar8nga@i-75.vc-graz.ac.at) joined #forth 13:50:59 --- quit: qFox (Quit: Time for cookies!) 14:00:21 saper: your patch doesn't fix crashes. It needs more thinking :) 14:05:04 I think I will have a new one 14:05:59 I'm working on minor issues now. 14:12:59 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote host closed the connection) 14:25:41 This is kind of off-topic, but is there a way to get ridiculously fast internet? Like some secret way? :p 14:26:05 move to a country with decent connections? 14:26:30 hah 14:26:37 the US is only 16th in the world apparently 14:27:48 ASau: did I get you my "patched" version? there were some minor 64-bit things like making sure .s works 64-bit 14:28:43 Well... The diff was too long. 14:29:04 Let me look at it again. 14:49:35 it was tar.gz I guess 14:49:59 yes, there were lots of small changes across the whole code, but pretty simple 15:00:28 If you identify the version you have based it on, it will simplify the whole work. 15:10:10 4.0.31 15:10:17 Alright. 15:10:35 * ASau anticipates long merging. 15:11:05 I don't think so, you don't need my changes to .h files probably 15:13:53 It looks as if you're using FreeBSD ports. 15:13:58 So archaic... 15:14:10 I can live with that for now 15:27:03 ASau FreeBSDers love their ports system :p 15:28:49 Are you sure on that? 15:29:48 it works most of the time 15:30:04 Most its users just don't know any alternative, 15:30:10 clearly not perfect, but impressively comprehensive 15:30:21 and thus they accept failures as a matter of fact. 15:30:29 Not even dream of anything better. 15:30:33 I learned many new apps just by make search 15:31:26 It is hardly a good way to learn about applications. 15:31:50 I can't say "make search" is better than pkglocate or direct browsing of HTML index. 15:32:37 well, it works for me pretty much, thank you 15:33:19 it's not about the speed or usefulness of make as a tool, it's about the number of lines in the INDEX file 15:34:05 You forget the number of lines as soon as you meet some real-world maintainance problem. 15:34:34 Like unclean builds or need to update some installation in fixed time. 15:35:50 How does pkgsrc deal with that? 15:36:46 One of ways is building binary package before touching anything in prefix. 15:37:25 holy crap 15:37:28 I hope everyone does that 15:37:41 In addition to that pkgsrc _always_ isolates build process in a more or less clean environment. 15:38:25 Some people go further and build chroot environment for it. 15:38:38 There's some support for it too. 15:39:43 Some people devise more sophisticated maintainance processes. 15:40:05 managing packages is such a drag 15:40:18 It's life. 15:41:04 Last time I deal with ports was exactly the update routine 15:41:04 much less painfully done with pkgsrc. 15:41:28 Most FreeBSD admins I knew installed software just once. 15:41:32 And never updated. 15:42:00 Installation died when box was decomissioned. :) 15:44:27 Yeah, I tend to reinstall the OS every so often 15:44:34 Because everything just gets so dirty 15:44:49 You're talking about another class of systems. 15:45:13 you mean the OS instead of applications? 15:45:57 You can't reinstall OS often, if you get only 2 hours window late at night. 15:46:07 yep 15:46:37 that's the only way I know to create a clean system 15:47:29 You should learn then. 15:48:04 It isn't impossibly hard with proper tools and proper approach. 15:48:13 yeah 15:48:39 I've had a good experience with Arch pacman 15:50:11 I think I need source control for my system directories or something 15:50:22 To be able to keep track of what has changed 15:50:43 NetBSD backs /etc up into RCS by default. :p 15:51:05 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 15:51:24 Some people thought about it for you. 15:52:45 ooh nice 15:53:25 The only problem is that it is invoked nightly. 15:53:37 On the other hand it provides some kind of safety. 15:54:07 If your system could survive till the night, it can't be that bad. 15:54:12 :) 16:27:33 All known Forth is just a large pile of various adhockery. 16:27:39 Even at standard level. 16:28:09 I can't find execution token of a just created word without reparsing trick. 16:28:48 Or some hack with "latest", "last" or "lastxt". 17:04:14 should ";" leave a token? 17:04:38 or shall : be :noname and we just "dup (create)" 17:04:56 I want to know it before ";" 17:05:30 And ":noname" is allowed to dump unknown amount of data on top of it. 17:08:13 ] is too low-level, is it? 17:08:15 BTW, who told you that I want it for colon word? 17:08:59 I don't know 17:09:29 I want it for "create" created word. 17:14:03 If you're interested, I want to create objects like this: 17:14:20 : create-object create lastxt , does> @ ; 17:15:19 Note that lastxt is neither portable, nor implementable in portable way. 17:15:27 yep 17:15:34 Thus I need to resort in evil hack like: 17:16:02 : create-object >in @ >r create r> >in ! ' , does> @ ; 17:16:47 it's like a hiccup 17:18:12 Then they don't believe me what I tell what an awful adhockery their implementations are. 17:28:42 BTW, did I mention that our "top" forth programmers can't design? 17:29:47 E.g. gforth's non-standard "[ifdef]" behaves so nice, that you can't use it, 17:30:08 if you want to define undefined words. 17:30:23 Same applies to any word if "[if*]" family. 17:30:54 The whole thing is badly designed textual preprocessor, 17:31:02 and all textual preprocessors suck. 17:36:33 --- join: Snoopy_1711 (Snoopy_161@dslb-088-069-128-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:37:11 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@205-36.adsl.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 17:41:12 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:57:35 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@dslb-088-069-157-019.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #forth 17:58:45 Replacing gforth with pforth reduced code coverage from 0,9 to 0,5. 18:01:30 --- quit: Snoopy_1711 (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 19:13:17 --- quit: Snoopy_1611 () 20:02:24 --- join: Snoopy_1611 (Snoopy_161@188.107.175.116) joined #forth 23:03:02 --- join: kar8nga (~kar8nga@m-2.vc-graz.ac.at) joined #forth 23:54:46 --- quit: kar8nga (Remote host closed the connection) 23:58:26 --- join: ixor (~g@pool-173-60-208-79.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined #forth 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/10.12.02