00:00:00 --- log: started forth/10.10.25 00:01:59 --- join: ygrek (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 00:24:14 --- quit: ygrek (Remote host closed the connection) 00:24:39 --- join: ygrek (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 00:38:35 elderK: we're working on it. 00:38:46 Someone submitted FICL mailing list to Gmane. 00:38:51 * ASau wonders who did that. 01:53:28 --- join: C-Keen (ckeen@pestilenz.org) joined #forth 03:40:32 --- join: dom96 (~dom96@host86-135-16-254.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) joined #forth 03:40:32 --- quit: dom96 (Changing host) 03:40:32 --- join: dom96 (~dom96@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 04:19:05 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Leaving) 04:45:42 --- join: Judofyr (~judofyr@cC694BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined #forth 05:34:17 --- quit: ygrek (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 05:39:31 * ASau sighs. 05:40:02 The main portability problem is that Forth programmers don't know anything about typing. 05:40:30 "char" is 8, "int" is 32. 05:40:41 char is 7-bit. 05:40:49 anyone claiming anything else is a tool 05:43:16 * ASau sighs. 05:43:42 Here's the best example of an idiot who doesn't have a clue about standards. 05:44:25 right, hence why my code runs on everything from a pdp-8 to a cray to a ia-64. 05:44:30 (crays are a bitch by the way) 05:44:52 Oh, come on. 05:44:56 Show us your code. 05:45:25 pay me 05:45:41 GTFO then. 05:45:49 become my client, and i'll show you it 05:45:52 You don't even have the code. 05:45:55 right. 05:45:58 if you say so 05:46:02 If you had, you could show it. 05:47:19 right, i have, sign a contract and you get all source code and it is gpl. 05:47:29 No, you don't have. 05:47:36 Show it. 06:06:24 ASau: feel free to sign contract, and pay up. 06:08:19 ams: I don't sign contracts with persons who can't code. 06:08:42 if you say so. 06:09:00 Yes, and this is the fact. 06:09:05 why don't you both meet in person and get this quarrel sorted out :) 06:09:16 C-Keen: would love too... 06:09:28 i suspect ASau is a skinny little geek who can only express his big ego on irc =) 06:09:30 C-Keen: you're welcome to come here. 06:09:33 ASau: *hugs* 06:09:40 ASau: if you say so 06:10:11 ASau: Where's here? 06:10:29 C-Keen: You have all tools handy. 06:11:43 C-Keen: ASau is really cute 06:12:30 ASau: so what have you written? 06:12:31 ASau: and how does this moscow IP address relate to your current location or the location provisioned when saying 'here'? 06:13:48 C-Keen: he prolly lives in russia 06:14:58 C-Keen: guess :) 06:15:10 (If you're smart enough.) 06:15:24 C-Keen: asau's real name is aleksejj saushev 06:15:37 I don't easily jump to conclusions 06:16:00 Sure, I don't hide. 06:17:39 sure you do 06:17:51 you hide behind the crass attitude 06:19:23 gussing since you are insecure in your skills, both social and technical... but what do i know 06:19:47 Sure, what do you know? 06:20:05 "what do i know" 06:20:14 That's what I'm asking. 06:20:15 "guessing" 06:20:17 What do you know? 06:20:28 what i know? in regards to what? 06:22:19 *sigh* 06:23:14 In regards to anything. 06:23:23 You're boasting you have written code you can't show. ;) 06:23:41 A lot of people share this fate 06:23:52 ASau: feel free to look for my name on the interwebs 06:25:04 ams: it isn't on the first page in google. 06:25:12 first page on google? 06:25:26 Why don't you hide behind tor proxy to simplify the search? ;) 06:25:48 --- quit: ams (Changing host) 06:25:48 --- join: ams (ams@gnu/inetutils/ams) joined #forth 06:25:58 better? 06:26:03 (try a whois again) 06:28:19 Ah, it's you who's "writing" those shitty ping(8) linux tools. :D 06:28:43 no, seeing that linux doesn't have any ping tool. 06:29:04 nor does,sadly, fedora or debian use inetutils ping by default afaik 06:29:06 "gnu", whatever. 06:29:17 bunch of solaris boxes use ping though 06:29:38 the shit you are refering to is actually netkit 06:30:10 but hey, i dont know shoit... can't code, or anything. 06:30:32 so what do you do? 06:30:40 I don't care of that software nowadays. 06:30:47 ah, right... 06:30:53 * ams snickers. 06:30:58 so you don't do anything? 06:32:11 C-Keen: this is hilarious, someone calling me an idiot, other names, insulting my intelligence, etc, and what do you know... he doesn't "do care for software" :-) 06:32:12 At least I don't boast of software that needs tweaking to make it work anywhere. 06:32:28 tweaking? 06:32:33 i did say i write portable code 06:32:39 ergo, it needs no tweaking 06:32:54 here is a fun one, MAXPATHLEN, is that portable? 06:34:33 Not likely. 06:34:52 We don't use inetutils anyway. 06:35:09 correct, but do you know why? 06:36:11 I've seen various breakage on linux. 06:36:24 There's getconf, anyway. 06:36:40 Which of course isn't "portable" either. 06:36:48 ASau: the breakage is in using it 06:36:58 MAXPATHLEN is optional, and does not exist on all systems 06:37:27 So what? 06:37:36 the only way to portably allocate a file or directory name is to use malloc/realloc. 06:37:51 ASau: so what? using MAXPATHLEN is not portable. 06:37:52 every 06:38:06 it is about as portable as printf (NULL); 06:38:30 on GNU that prints "(null)", but it could just as well blow up the computer 06:39:29 So? 06:39:35 so? 06:39:49 So what? 06:39:53 it isn't portable. 06:39:55 that is what. 06:40:11 Fine, it isn't. What's in conclusion? 06:40:24 but hey, you clearly think that char is 1 bit, and int is 32 bits 06:40:37 ASau: for a russian, your intelligence level is sure low 06:40:39 char isn't 7 bits in any case. 06:40:44 ASau: uhm, yeah it is 06:40:48 depends on the platform. 06:40:57 Name the standard then. 06:41:01 what standard? 06:41:12 That defines 7-bit char here. 06:41:15 ascii 06:41:27 It isn't even obsolete standard. 06:41:32 (nor can you clearly get a joke) 06:42:14 You can't clearly send it. 06:42:23 send what? 06:42:29 Joke. 06:44:25 you're adorable 06:44:29 can i have you as a pet? 06:45:40 You can try. 06:46:21 ahh... 07:01:37 hm, what should I replace the notion of screens with in current forth implementations? Or are these just omitted due to the lack of usefulness? 07:02:05 i find them useful 07:02:08 They exist for compatibility, but you can just forget them. 07:02:31 Use files. 07:02:51 screens tend to be easier to work with 07:03:02 Not in modern times. 07:03:29 in code time they tend to be easier 07:03:38 Which way? 07:03:55 i just said how 07:05:00 Do you talk so that noone hears? 07:05:07 In real life too? 07:05:18 you're so adorable 07:05:27 here, have a cookie 07:06:32 Talk like a man, if you're so brave. 07:06:41 * ams pets ASau. 07:06:44 Which way screens are easier in modern time? 07:06:53 you both are like statler and waldorf 07:07:09 =) 07:09:38 C-Keen: as earlier, you can safely ignore what ams says. 07:09:50 C-Keen: he still lives in his 80s with 7-bit characters. 07:10:11 * C-Keen shrugs. 07:10:41 * ams thinks ASau needs to go to the vet. 07:10:48 I do have a DSP here that maps 64 bit datatypes to 42 bit words 07:11:16 so what's the point in insisting on a certain length if your hardware thinks differently 07:11:22 C-Keen: "it is obsolete!" 07:12:06 C-Keen: how do you expect screens to help you then?? 07:12:52 i suspect C-Keen isn't using screens on his dsp 07:13:11 This question has been raised while reading lots of old docs and how to interpret this wrt to more modern forths 07:13:37 the dsp comment is a remark referring to your quarrel over a minor implementation detail 07:14:07 C-Keen: sosme people find screens still useful, other don't. 07:14:19 ams: I gathered that much :) 07:14:58 and ASau will not claim that this is obsolete. 07:16:40 C-Keen: just use files, it's much easier than dealing with screens. 07:16:46 C-Keen: even with uniform letters. 07:17:21 I would not know how to do anything else but use one file per screen anyway. ;) 07:17:37 I am just reading thinking forth's chapter about screens 07:17:37 Start that way. 07:17:44 You'll find how much more convenient files are. 07:18:43 Even if you use something like TECO that views your files pagewise. 07:18:46 in some cases. 07:19:03 oo...teco brings back memories 07:26:25 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 07:39:20 --- quit: gogonkt (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 07:40:25 --- join: gogonkt (~info@183.27.205.2) joined #forth 09:02:00 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@67-194-78-130.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 09:09:16 --- join: Joseph (~Joseph@67-194-78-130.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 09:09:42 --- nick: Joseph -> Guest88866 09:11:17 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 09:39:51 --- join: ygrek (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 10:01:06 --- quit: Guest88866 (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 10:17:16 --- quit: martinhex (Read error: Operation timed out) 10:18:34 --- join: martinhex (~mjc@93-97-29-243.zone5.bethere.co.uk) joined #forth 10:22:29 --- join: Guest88866 (~Joseph@67-194-78-130.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 10:23:29 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@67-194-103-164.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 10:27:07 --- quit: Guest88866 (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 10:38:29 * crc uses 32 bit characters 11:08:52 --- join: dom96 (~dom96@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 11:28:00 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 11:32:06 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@5356B263.cm-6-7c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #forth 11:34:17 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@67-194-113-249.wireless.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 11:45:02 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 12:16:08 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@caen-cse-141-212-203-47.wireless.engin.umich.edu) joined #forth 13:21:08 --- join: Al2O3 (~Al2O3@h131.147.31.71.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined #forth 13:31:53 --- quit: qFox (Quit: Time for cookies!) 13:41:00 --- join: yiyus (~124271242@67.202.106.57) joined #forth 13:42:37 --- quit: ygrek (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 14:10:16 crc: obsolete! 14:19:58 --- quit: elderK (Quit: Leaving...) 14:56:40 --- quit: cataska (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) 14:56:46 --- join: cataska (~cataska@210.64.6.233) joined #forth 15:25:29 - 15:26:35 ams: I can build a vm + image with 64 bit characters if the need ever arises 15:51:47 --- quit: Deformative (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 16:08:25 --- join: Deformative (~Joseph@205-36.adsl.umnet.umich.edu) joined #forth 17:01:07 --- quit: gogonkt (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 17:08:28 --- join: gogonkt (~info@183.27.206.159) joined #forth 17:25:19 --- join: elderK (~k@pdpc/supporter/active/elderk) joined #forth 19:29:19 --- quit: Al2O3 (Quit: Al2O3) 22:42:27 --- quit: elderK (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 23:38:13 --- join: Judofyr_ (~judofyr@cC694BF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined #forth 23:41:22 --- quit: Judofyr (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 23:59:59 --- log: ended forth/10.10.25