00:00:00 --- log: started forth/10.08.24 01:00:29 --- join: bogen (~bogen@cpe-76-183-40-20.tx.res.rr.com) joined #forth 01:23:04 --- quit: dinya_ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 01:28:18 --- quit: gnomon (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 01:28:37 --- join: gnomon (~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 01:36:31 --- join: dinya_ (~Denis@92.255.128.235) joined #forth 02:39:35 --- quit: uiu (*.net *.split) 02:39:35 --- quit: nighty^ (*.net *.split) 02:39:35 --- quit: crcx (*.net *.split) 02:39:35 --- quit: saper (*.net *.split) 02:41:00 --- join: uiu (~ian@HSI-KBW-095-208-153-002.hsi5.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) joined #forth 02:41:00 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 02:41:00 --- join: crcx (~crc@li125-93.members.linode.com) joined #forth 02:41:00 --- join: saper (saper@wikipedia/saper) joined #forth 02:47:11 --- quit: mathrick (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 03:04:41 --- join: mathrick (~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk) joined #forth 03:26:55 --- quit: ygrek (Remote host closed the connection) 03:42:52 --- join: ygrek (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 03:44:20 --- join: Droid440r (~AndChat@164.sub-97-41-95.myvzw.com) joined #forth 03:53:06 --- quit: dinya_ (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) 03:53:11 --- join: dinya_ (~Denis@92.255.128.235) joined #forth 03:57:34 --- join: |dinya_| (~Denis@92.255.128.235) joined #forth 03:59:35 --- quit: nighty^ (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:00:06 --- quit: dinya_ (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 04:00:07 --- quit: gnomon (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 04:00:25 --- join: gnomon (~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 04:02:05 --- join: mark4 (~AndChat@164.sub-97-41-95.myvzw.com) joined #forth 04:02:06 --- quit: Droid440r (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 04:13:16 --- nick: |dinya_| -> dinya_ 04:13:24 --- join: dom96 (~dom96@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 04:15:23 --- join: nighty^ (~nighty@x122091.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) joined #forth 04:27:15 --- join: |dinya_| (~Denis@92.255.128.235) joined #forth 04:29:35 --- quit: dinya_ (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) 04:32:22 --- nick: |dinya_| -> dinya_ 05:14:03 --- quit: i__ (Remote host closed the connection) 05:36:07 --- join: i__ (~none@69.164.206.224) joined #forth 06:04:48 --- join: Droid440r (~AndChat@134.sub-97-43-73.myvzw.com) joined #forth 06:06:17 --- quit: mark4 (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 06:15:57 --- quit: gnomon (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 06:16:13 --- join: gnomon (~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 07:09:03 --- quit: Droid440r (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:16:42 --- join: Droid440r (~AndChat@134.sub-97-43-73.myvzw.com) joined #forth 07:29:54 --- quit: Droid440r (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 08:11:00 --- join: dom96_ (~dom96@178.33.135.162) joined #forth 08:14:57 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Leaving) 08:15:11 --- nick: dom96_ -> dom96 08:15:26 --- quit: dom96 (Changing host) 08:15:26 --- join: dom96 (~dom96@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 08:17:28 And these "free software" lovers are not happy! 08:18:27 "Thank you for your help and your very professional attitude. 08:18:27 You are a credit to open source and attitudes like this are what keeps commercial software companies in business. 08:18:27 I'm glad that when I followed the instructions posted for gforth, 08:18:27 it worked correctly and I didn't have to check with someone to find the undocumented secrets to making it work." 08:18:34 YES! Damn idiot! 08:19:02 I spent MY PERSONAL time to deal with the issue you can't even try to test. 08:20:17 hmmm... not sure the complete context of what you just said... 08:20:17 If you can't follow instructions how to get it from VCS, it's your personal problem, 08:20:18 you don't compensate my time educating you. 08:21:06 This is free software, it isn't gforth. 08:21:49 If it isn't of comparable quality, it's because you didn't help it to become so. 08:23:00 releasing a project as free software does not require one to become a slave to all who use it just so that they are happy with that software 08:23:11 is what I think you are getting at 08:23:22 Yes, I mean exactly that. 08:24:34 I have more interesting things to do than helping one occasional idiot how to get 64-bit pForth on his l00n1x. 08:25:32 I have damn loads of tasks to deal with. 08:25:47 If one idiot doesn't appreciate what I do, others do. 08:25:51 And I'm quite fine with it. 08:25:55 as far as gforth and 64 bit goes, I can't get it compile. (but I'm not complaining, I don't plan to use gforth, other than as a reference when I write unit test files for stuff that should be generic forth) 08:27:07 (can't get gforth to compile on my 64 bit systems, 32 bit is fine, but I don't expect the gforth guy(s) to come fix it for me. 08:27:32 $ gforth 08:27:32 Gforth 0.7.99, Copyright (C) 1995-2009 Free Software Foundation, Inc. 08:27:32 Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license' 08:27:32 Type `bye' to exit 08:27:35 sh uname -mrs 08:27:38 NetBSD 5.99.38 amd64 08:27:41 ok 08:27:51 I don't know what fails for you. 08:28:02 "It just works." 08:28:19 yeah, I know, I have compiled it on 64 bit before, this is on arch linux, and I've not taken the time to look into it, as I've got other things to do 08:28:52 What doesn't work for me, is their CVS. 08:29:34 They work on the project so actively, that they don't notice breakage for months. 08:29:44 oh, 0.7.99... 08:29:54 Perhaps build-tests are so hard to run. 08:30:11 maybe I should try building a newer one, the PKBUILD I have is for 0.7.0 08:30:21 PKGBUILD... 08:30:27 0.7.0 is buggy. 08:30:37 It has broken implementation of marker. 08:34:40 Gforth 0.7.99? Not finding that here: http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/forth/gforth/ 08:35:05 So what? 08:35:19 0.7.99 is current after 0.7.0 08:35:40 oh, you mean out of CVS 08:36:00 Yes. 08:37:21 I need to denote the version somehow, that's why it is .99 08:39:29 yeah, I can't get their CVS working ither 08:39:56 bogen: I got ficl to work on 64-bit if that helps you a bit :) 08:40:32 no problem, my own forth I'm working on is 64 bit 08:41:07 though I might try ficl 08:41:57 so I don't have to jump over to 32 machines to compare test program runs 08:42:16 --- quit: gnomon (Read error: Operation timed out) 08:42:33 --- join: gnomon (~gnomon@CPE0022158a8221-CM000f9f776f96.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined #forth 08:45:47 --- join: _mathrick (~mathrick@emp.nat.sdu.dk) joined #forth 08:46:22 --- quit: Monev (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 08:46:33 --- quit: mathrick (Ping timeout: 258 seconds) 08:49:26 PForth V24-LE, built Aug 24 2010 10:47:27... Including: system.fth .../bin/sh: line 1: 15107 Segmentation fault 08:49:29 heh 08:53:15 nice 09:26:20 --- join: Monev (~nal@adsl-64-237-232-214.prtc.net) joined #forth 10:45:13 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Bye all!) 10:53:18 --- join: dom96 (znc@178.33.135.162) joined #forth 10:55:04 --- quit: dom96 (Changing host) 10:55:04 --- join: dom96 (znc@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 11:08:06 --- nick: scj__ -> scj 11:09:04 bogen: use _current_ software. 11:11:17 ok, yeah, much better 11:11:29 I was downloading a snapshot, not using SVN 11:11:47 it works now 11:15:51 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Bye all!) 11:16:25 --- join: dom96 (znc@unaffiliated/dom96) joined #forth 11:17:01 --- quit: dom96 (Remote host closed the connection) 11:17:18 I'll ask if I should commit 64-bit support to FICL CVS. 11:18:25 --- join: dom96 (znc@178.33.135.162) joined #forth 11:22:33 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Bye all!) 11:22:55 --- join: dom96 (znc@178.33.135.162) joined #forth 11:35:52 ASau: are you in the ficl mailing list (dead since some time)? 11:36:11 saper: no. 11:36:30 saper: I have changes and can commit them any time, 11:36:39 but I would like to hear from John first. 11:36:54 ah, so you have them 11:37:21 so I don't need to post my patches, right? 11:37:32 I have mine already. :) 11:38:11 Actually, I have them for monthes, the problem is relating to John. 11:38:37 I'll try to clean up and post mine then, there are at least 2 interesting bugs 11:39:54 I think I'd rather concentrate on pForth for now. 11:40:12 If you want my patch I can put it somewhere. 11:41:15 maybe to the mailing list? 11:42:14 Passing through register phase again? 11:50:36 --- quit: dom96 (Quit: Bye all!) 11:52:55 --- join: dom96 (dom96@178.33.135.162) joined #forth 12:16:41 --- quit: _mathrick (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 12:50:42 --- join: mathrick (~mathrick@users177.kollegienet.dk) joined #forth 13:12:10 --- join: nikki93 (~nikki@78.101.226.135) joined #forth 13:12:48 I want to learn Forth, not simply to learn a new language but to improve my way of thinking about programming etc. I'm a C++/Python/C programmer mostly but also sometimes meddle in Bash and Ruby. Where do I start? 13:12:53 I'm reading 'Thinking Forth' right now. 13:13:33 Don't read it. 13:13:39 :( 13:13:43 Then? 13:13:55 But I like the comics. :) 13:14:19 Read first chapters of "Starting Forth" just to get grasp of it, 13:14:25 then go read the source. 13:14:42 Alternatively, try more modern books. 13:14:44 I was reading Starting Forth once. Stopped somewhere after 'dup'. 13:15:02 I wanted to say though - I wrote my own stack-based programming langauge once for fun. :P 13:15:17 http://www.mpeltd.demon.co.uk/arena/ProgramForth.pdf 13:15:28 Oh, no. 13:15:31 You can see the code here - it's in C - http://codepad.org/6zVV3xVx One file. 13:15:38 No more stack-based languages please. 13:15:46 Heh. I was bored... 13:16:17 Fixed link - http://codepad.org/PaZxOeo8 13:20:53 --- quit: ASau (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 13:27:20 --- join: ASau (~user@83.69.227.32) joined #forth 13:39:46 Are there any active mailing lists relating to Forth? 13:40:45 No. 13:42:32 There's comp.lang.forth, but it relates to Forth rather distantly. 13:42:49 There're only two or three sane people, 13:43:15 others are either old farts living in 1970s or early 1980s, 13:43:40 I see. 13:43:47 So is Forth still kewl? 13:44:14 ...or mentally diseased like AI and slide-rule fans. 13:44:20 It depends on how you view it. 13:45:44 ASau: What are you? 13:45:59 ASau: I mean are you also an old-fart-mentally-diseased kinda guy? 13:46:35 My main interests are in deploying more modern techniques. 13:46:46 --- quit: ygrek (Remote host closed the connection) 13:46:46 At least from 1990s. 13:47:00 1990 was 20 years ago. D: 13:47:18 I know. 13:47:38 You can't skip stages easily. 13:47:39 --- join: ygrek (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ygrek) joined #forth 13:48:22 heh 13:54:48 --- quit: ygrek (Remote host closed the connection) 14:06:55 forthers living in the 1970s or early 1980s.... yeah.......... 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