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00:14:06 <ASau``> segher: gforth calls it "slurp-file"
00:26:20 <ams> stupid intranet
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09:26:32 <segher> asau``: oh, interesting
09:27:03 <segher> i first implemented this using mmap() so i named it map-file
09:27:35 <segher> slurp-file is pretty expressive :-)
10:12:55 <alexand3r> what up
10:22:26 <ASau`> mmap is nice alternative.
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11:35:47 <segher> asau: esp. since i didn't support the read() system call etc., yeah
11:36:31 <segher> and you don't need ALLOCATE that way
11:36:52 <segher> (or worry about freeing the mem again)
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12:14:43 <ASau> Well... You have to worry about munmap then.
12:54:53 <Guthur> schmrkc: I got the Forth system setup last night on my ARM board, was well pleased.
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12:55:23 <Guthur> You'd like things at the moment, plenty of electronics components lying around and a still warm soldering iron, hehe
12:55:50 <schmrkc> Guthur: it sounds... very.. cosy.
12:55:52 <schmrkc> :)))
12:57:02 <Guthur> The forth system is cool, always nice to have interactive programming
12:57:28 <Guthur> Especially on a MCU
12:58:34 <schmrkc> (:
12:58:40 <schmrkc> It makes me glad that you are enjoying this :)
13:00:17 <Guthur> I wish I had a slightly bigger breadboard
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13:01:06 <Guthur> I got this today -> http://www.skpang.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=74_105&products_id=245
13:02:02 <Guthur> Unfortunately its just a little too big for my breadboard
13:02:36 <schmrkc> ):
13:08:23 <Guthur> I'll just have to get an extension board tomorrow.
13:09:20 <Guthur> I'm suppose to go look at bikes tomorrow anyway, and the shops a literally beside each other
13:10:38 <schmrkc> bikes?
13:11:16 <Guthur> Ye a need to bike for cycling to work
13:11:21 <Guthur> a/I
13:11:34 <Guthur> to/to get a
13:12:01 <Guthur> umm, and a better print, hehe
13:12:18 <schmrkc> What kinda bike you getting?
13:14:58 <Guthur> I'm looking at a Carrera Subway
13:15:11 <Guthur> Are you familiar with them
13:16:00 <schmrkc> Nope.
13:16:32 <Guthur> Are possibly a Reebok Voyager
13:16:37 <Guthur> Are/Or
13:16:54 * schmrkc laughs.
13:16:57 <Guthur> It's the one that the bike shop have on sale
13:17:01 <schmrkc> Cools.
13:17:17 <Guthur> The Voyager is very cheap
13:17:29 <Guthur> £169
13:17:37 <schmrkc> Sounds like a good price.
13:17:49 * schmrkc is looking at getting a new bike too.
13:18:00 <schmrkc> hmm..
13:18:03 * schmrkc looks for the food too.
13:29:45 <ams> fetch some for me
13:32:13 <ams> http://surlybikes.com/bikes/long_haul_trucker_complete/ <-- i want that one
13:35:27 <Guthur> A little pricey for my wallet
13:49:49 <ams> you could just get a frame, and build it :-)
13:51:12 <alexand3r> hey
13:59:16 * schmrkc shares some of his BSD licensed food with ams.
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14:25:05 <ams> ?
14:26:33 <ASau> Don't forget to include advertising clause into your "free" software.
14:26:43 <ams> schmrkc: hopefully it is the 3-clause license, and not the original 4-clause one that requires advertisments in the food.
14:27:10 <ams> schmrkc: i might choke on it... :-)
14:29:23 <schmrkc> (:
14:29:32 <schmrkc> ASau: what software?
14:29:55 <schmrkc> I ate it all. sorry ams.
14:30:01 <ams> no worries
14:30:06 <ams> i'll go and get a smoke or something
14:30:23 * schmrkc is on the neverending quest to get enough kcal down / day
14:30:44 <ams> trying to gain weight?
14:31:15 <schmrkc> Yes.
14:31:32 <schmrkc> Not really *trying*. I *am* gaining weight.
14:31:48 <ams> lucky bastard
14:32:14 <schmrkc> It's not luck. It is tedious tracking of eating so I follow my three month carefully laid out plan.
14:32:29 <ams> yeah it is luck :-)
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14:33:21 <ams> i can't gain a pound no matter what i do
14:33:36 <schmrkc> Why not?
14:34:08 <schmrkc> If you have no disease that is the cause of this then a good clean diet with 6000kcal daily should do the trick.
14:34:44 <ams> go figure
14:34:44 <Guthur> 6000?
14:34:51 <schmrkc> I've worked with quite a few people who say they "eat a lot" and still don't gain. But it turns out their idea of "a lot" is like 2 pizzas / day or something.
14:34:51 <Guthur> Sounds like a lot
14:34:59 <ams> 6000 is .. uhm .. a bit much to be healthy
14:35:00 <schmrkc> Guthur: It is.
14:35:19 <ams> schmrkc: dol
14:35:26 <schmrkc> ams: Depends on how much you use up. And it if is clean good food it is no problem.
14:35:37 <schmrkc> Guthur: I do 4500 myself. I have no need for 6000 :)
14:35:52 <Guthur> schmrkc, Are you lifting much at the moment?
14:36:03 <schmrkc> At the moment I am chatting with you, Guthur !
14:36:11 <ams> schmrkc: doll, breakfast (oatmeal), lunch (usually chicken, potatoes, rice, that sort of thing), dinner (something in the same vein), something before bed, and meals in between..
14:36:15 <ams> schmrkc: and work out
14:36:17 <Guthur> Hehe i knew I should have clarified that
14:36:52 <schmrkc> ams: Not quite grokking 'doll', but ok. If you are not gaining weight then you just need to eat more energy. (:
14:37:08 <schmrkc> Guthur: I am quite an intense mass building program at the moment.
14:37:14 <ams> schmrkc: no go
14:37:14 <schmrkc> I am ON ...
14:37:24 <schmrkc> ams: no go?
14:37:29 <ams> schmrkc: "eat more"
14:37:33 <ams> doesn't work for me
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14:37:54 <schmrkc> ams: Then you have some problem with your digestive system.
14:38:07 <ams> maybe, or just genes
14:38:10 <schmrkc> No.
14:38:19 <schmrkc> energy in > energy out works for everyone.
14:38:29 <ams> not really
14:38:38 <schmrkc> If your genes have granted you with crazy high metabolism, then you just need to increase the in or decrease the out.
14:38:41 <schmrkc> ya, really.
14:38:49 <ams> sigh, no, not really
14:39:01 <schmrkc> Guthur: I plan to be at about 100kg in december or thereabouts.
14:39:28 <ams> it is't as easy as "eat more == gain weight"
14:39:43 <schmrkc> Yes, yes it is. Unless you have some digestive malfunction.
14:39:48 <ams> oh bullshit
14:40:05 <ams> go read a medical book
14:40:08 <schmrkc> hahaha
14:40:18 <schmrkc> So ams, how much energy do you use up, on average, during a day?
14:40:23 <schmrkc> and how much do you put in?
14:40:29 <ams> schmrkc: 8+ hours infront of a computer.
14:40:38 <schmrkc> that's not the question.
14:40:48 <ams> actually, it is, i don't work out
14:40:51 <schmrkc> No.
14:40:57 <schmrkc> BMR varies quite a bit.
14:41:19 <ams> BMR is about as inaccurate as BMO
14:41:21 <ams> BMI
14:41:24 <schmrkc> uh.
14:41:27 <schmrkc> no.
14:41:50 <schmrkc> Just go to one of the fancy sleep for a day chambers and they will measure your BMR.
14:41:51 <ams> uh yes
14:42:06 <schmrkc> it is very accurate.
14:42:21 <ams> sigh, no, it, is, not.
14:42:23 <schmrkc> BMI is obviously 100% accutare, but a kinda useless thing to calculate.
14:42:30 <schmrkc> uh.
14:42:44 <schmrkc> I remember why I stopped talking to you 3 years ago, ams.
14:42:55 <ams> i don't even know who you are
14:43:02 <schmrkc> Ya that's ok.
14:43:22 <ams> heck, you prolly have no clue who i am, so the silly ad hominem attacks are quite cute
14:43:38 <schmrkc> This is correct. I have no clue. Other than I talked to you in #emacs 3 years ago.
14:43:51 <schmrkc> and you even added an entry on me in the bot there.
14:44:09 <schmrkc> as an "unfree banana distributer" iirc.
14:44:13 <ams> maybe i did, maybe i didn't.  i have no recollection of it
14:44:30 <schmrkc> Well I'm good at remembering stuff.
14:44:40 <ams> so am i
14:44:53 <Guthur> schmrkc, You still in the proprietary banana industry?
14:44:56 <schmrkc> Guthur: That's the plan anyway. then maybe I will cut down to 95 or something. I dunno.
14:44:59 <schmrkc> hahaha
14:45:05 <ams> like that immensly hot chick, in denim, and a cute top, with a pretty earing i saw yesterday
14:45:47 <schmrkc> Guthur: I only distribute apples now.
14:46:20 <Guthur> libre banana forever
14:46:47 <schmrkc> hehehe (:
14:47:39 <schmrkc> Guthur: I really only distribute better health and business cards nowadays (:
14:48:12 <Guthur> I'm hoping cycling to work will be good for my health, and wallet
14:48:33 <Guthur> As long as I don't get knocked down by a car of course
14:48:44 <schmrkc> "I get knocked down, and I get up again"
14:48:45 <Guthur> that can be decidedly bad for ones health
14:48:49 <schmrkc> Yeah.
14:48:52 <schmrkc> I did that.
14:49:00 <schmrkc> wasn't all good.
14:49:19 <schmrkc> maybe you make a bike computer with some ARM dev board there.
14:49:41 <ams> Guthur: do you have stairs at work?
14:49:51 <Guthur> ams: Yep
14:49:55 <ams> Guthur: do you use them?
14:49:59 <Guthur> Not sure what floor I will be on though
14:50:08 <Guthur> Just starting on the 9th August
14:50:12 <ams> ah
14:50:15 <ams> well, use them.
14:50:23 <schmrkc> Guthur: congrats on a new job
14:50:43 <Guthur> schmrkc, Cheers.
14:51:04 <Guthur> I got some shared accommodation worked out for the year as well
14:51:08 <ams> Guthur: even run up/down for them or whatever
14:51:11 <Guthur> Which worked out quite affordable
14:51:24 <Guthur> ams: Probably rules against that
14:51:25 <schmrkc> niice.
14:51:37 <Guthur> Work insurance and all that
14:51:39 <ams> Guthur: you in the us?
14:51:40 <schmrkc> Guthur: our shared accomodation here just landed us a new russian roommate \o/
14:52:11 <Guthur> ams: UK, but a US company
14:52:52 <ams> Guthur: ah, us sockpuppet country... well, yer company could prolly sue you for misuse of company material or something.
14:52:58 <ams> Guthur: the rest of the world has no such "rules"
14:53:11 <Guthur> schmrkc: I'm not sure on the nationalities of all my house mates, one french Algerian and Egyptian
14:53:35 <schmrkc> oh I dated an algerian gal back in the days.
14:53:36 <Guthur> 3 others I'm not sure of
14:53:39 <schmrkc> she had the prettiest eyes.
14:54:11 <schmrkc> I'll miss this roommatering when we move up north.
14:54:12 <schmrkc> argh!
14:54:33 <Guthur> schmrkc, Are you and Liza getting a place
14:54:38 <schmrkc> eh
14:54:42 <schmrkc> we already have a place.
14:54:52 <Guthur> Oh ok
14:55:07 <schmrkc> We've had a place for the last 5 years or something. We live in a nice 4 room apartment of 115 square meters exactly in the middle of Malmoe.
14:55:13 <schmrkc> cheap too! only 850 euro / month.
14:55:18 <Guthur> Sharing with 2 others?
14:55:22 <schmrkc> nope.
14:55:34 <schmrkc> but we usually rent out a room to some student at the college here.
14:55:38 <Guthur> ah ok, just when you said you will miss roomatering
14:55:47 <schmrkc> yes. so we kinda have a roommate.
14:55:51 <schmrkc> just they rent a room from us.
14:56:02 <ams> malmo.. pretty town
14:56:08 <schmrkc> but we're moving up north. I can't imagine there being much activity up there.
14:56:24 <schmrkc> and I guess the influx of random couchsurfers will be on a decline too.
14:56:49 <Guthur> schmrkc: What's taking you up north, if you don't mind me asking
14:57:04 <schmrkc> Lisa wants to study something in örebro. which is waaay up north.
14:57:21 <schmrkc> only problem is I will have to work up a completely new client base :)
14:57:32 <ams> schmrkc: uh, orebro ain't "way up north"...
14:57:33 <schmrkc> more of a challenge really.
14:57:58 <ams> it isn't even north of sthlm
14:58:11 <Guthur> schmrkc, I'm sure you will find success there.
14:58:25 <ams> way up north is more like umea or lulea or worse... kiruna
14:58:26 <schmrkc> and moving from a SMALL city to a *SMALL* city .. will be.. interesting :)
14:59:17 <schmrkc> Guthur: I'm of the general conviction that I will make success happen wherever I go :)
14:59:42 <schmrkc> thanks though!
14:59:47 <Guthur> schmrkc, Ya I figured you might be, hehe
15:00:18 <schmrkc> Probably would be even better if I killed the irssi window.
15:00:18 <schmrkc> ehehehe
15:02:03 <schmrkc> Guthur: hey did you see this slimv ? looks niiice
15:03:35 <Guthur> no, slimv?
15:03:42 <schmrkc> http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2531
15:03:48 <schmrkc> is like SLIME, but vim :)
15:04:06 <Guthur> hehe, I still can get into vim
15:04:09 <Guthur> can't
15:04:26 <Guthur> It's as alien as emacs was
15:04:38 <schmrkc> it seems to lack the nice functionallity to look up callers and what not though.
15:04:40 <schmrkc> (:
15:04:50 * schmrkc gives Guthur some Notepad.exe
15:05:22 <Guthur> hehe, Notepad++ was ok
15:05:36 <Guthur> I think that was name
15:05:47 <schmrkc> never used it :(
15:05:57 <Guthur> I like my emacs now.
15:06:29 <Guthur> Though I keep finding myself trying to use Emacs chords in the wrong applications
15:06:38 <schmrkc> hehehe (:
15:06:41 <schmrkc> that's the best!
15:06:56 <schmrkc> after some heavy IRC:ing I find myself in the firefox window hitting ESC-a 
15:07:02 <schmrkc> and the damn thing refuses to change tab
15:07:32 <Guthur> Do you use emacs for IRC?
15:10:04 <schmrkc> No.
15:10:04 <schmrkc> I stopped doing that quite some time ago.
15:10:04 <schmrkc> But I have yet to find an IRC client as nice as riece tbh.
15:10:04 <schmrkc> it just does not work so well with my work flow. I run irssi on the slug which runs 24/7
15:10:04 <schmrkc> and I just ssh + screen.
15:10:05 <schmrkc> oh lag.
15:10:52 <Guthur> ah, ok, there was a burst of lag there actually
15:10:57 <Guthur> may have been my end though
15:12:08 <Guthur> umm, I want a wireless replacement for this serial connection to my dev board.
15:12:24 <Guthur> I have too many cables and wires
15:12:31 <segher> asau: i don't have to worry about munmap(), i'm simply assuming i have enough process address space :-)
15:13:00 <segher> (with allocate, it costs actual memory; with mmap(), only address space)
15:13:15 <TreyB> Guthur: does your board have USB?
15:13:42 <Guthur> TreyB: Nah its pretty basic
15:14:06 <Guthur> I have a prototyping board with RS232 and JTAG
15:14:16 <Guthur> and then a stamp with just RS232
15:16:27 <schmrkc> Guthur: nah. my end. my internet is flakey as shit.
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