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01:15:58 <ams> hoy
02:10:39 <lambert> boy
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08:40:38 <lambert> An ??? ;-)
08:48:39 <Droid440r> ?
08:55:23 <lambert> An-Droid
08:57:00 <Droid440r> Yes
08:57:16 <Droid440r> Droid incredible
08:58:24 <Droid440r> Maybe I port forth ;)
09:01:17 <TreyB> Have fun hooking it up to Dalvik.
09:12:49 <Guthur> Anyone familiar with building pygmy-forth for the LPC2103
09:13:24 <Guthur> It's looking for a kernel.dictionary
09:14:11 <Guthur> It's a little confusing as it seems to want to copy it over kernel-lpc2103.dictionary
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09:17:41 <Guthur> nvm
09:25:52 <mark4> Who said anything about hooking it to anything other than the kernel :)
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11:08:25 <alexand3r> hey
11:08:49 <alexand3r> Guthur: are you doing embedded ARM development?
11:09:11 <Guthur> alexand3r, Trying, hehe
11:09:16 <alexand3r> col
11:09:19 <alexand3r> how is pygmy-forth?
11:09:44 <gnomon> Ideologically glorious.
11:09:49 <Guthur> Just evaluating now, I'm a bit of newbie to forth though
11:09:55 <Guthur> Amazingly small though
11:10:27 <alexand3r> cool
11:10:32 <alexand3r> I'm using MPE's forth cross compiler.
11:10:37 <alexand3r> (for ARM)
11:12:54 <Guthur> I only have an LPC2103 at the moment, which is very limited in terms of memory
11:13:06 <Guthur> 32k Flash 8k RAM
11:13:17 <Guthur> but I have a LPC2119 due tomorrow
11:21:12 <Guthur> alexand3r, What ARM setup are you using?
11:21:54 <alexand3r> at91sam7a3
11:24:05 <Guthur> Nice, I'm just using a small development board, just tinkering really
11:25:18 <alexand3r> cool
11:36:52 <schmrkc> Guthur: Welcome to the dark side.
11:37:34 <Guthur> schmrkc, Well I'm not there yet, soon hopefully
11:37:41 <Guthur> If I can get this to work, hehe
11:40:08 <schmrkc> (:
11:40:16 <schmrkc> asm + forth + soldering iron.
11:40:18 <schmrkc> oh boy oh boy.
11:41:30 <Guthur> I have a new soldering station I need to try out
11:41:50 <alexand3r> schmrkc: = failed lives, and broken dreams.
11:41:56 <Guthur> Just ordered a keypad and 4x20 LCD display
11:42:55 <schmrkc> alexand3r: :D  I see it as a fun hobby :) Already living the dream!
11:43:14 <Guthur> And then along with the LPC2119 (a whole 128k of flash) I aim to make a dice replacement for tabletop gaming
11:43:52 <alexand3r> schmrkc: I'm being mouthy.. the forth scene just has a lot of 'I could have been a contender' BS going on.
11:44:10 <alexand3r> but welcome
11:45:41 <schmrkc> alexand3r: oh yeah. definitely.
11:46:00 <schmrkc> alexand3r: if only the market understood how great forth is, eh? :)
11:46:32 <alexand3r> haha
11:46:33 <alexand3r> yah
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15:24:41 <Guthur> has anyone used this Riscy Pygness before
15:25:24 <Guthur> It seems to be sort of working, expect that the greeting message I get back from the target seems to be wrong
15:25:25 <alexand3r> I've heard of it.
15:25:46 <Guthur> Not sure if it's an encoding issue or speed issue.
15:26:01 <Guthur> Oh wait I meant to check the clk speed settings
15:26:31 <alexand3r> Guthur: the first thing I do when I bring up a forth is have some assembly that writes the letter A out the serial port.
15:26:45 <Guthur> That's what it's suppose to do
15:27:02 <Guthur> well, CRLF ho CRLF
15:27:07 <Guthur> ho/hi
15:27:12 <alexand3r> ah
15:27:30 <Guthur> It also flashes an led 6 times on one of the GPIO pins
15:27:42 <Guthur> I've just checked that, and it is
15:27:53 <alexand3r> nice.
15:28:12 <Guthur> I am also receiving somthing on the serial port, but it's just weird characters
15:28:38 <alexand3r> your clock divisor is wrong, or you've got the wrong number of data bits on the UART
15:28:51 <Guthur> I'll just double check the clock now, I know the author used a board with a slightly slower crystal
15:29:13 <Guthur> I had changed it in make
15:29:26 <Guthur> but I think there is some .equ in the assembly as well
15:29:50 <Guthur> I just got all excited about the LED and forgot to check that, hehe
15:37:14 <Guthur> Sweet
15:37:21 <Guthur> It was the clock settings
15:37:55 <Guthur> I think I may now have a working Forth setup for my ARM's
15:44:44 <alexand3r> cool
15:44:59 <alexand3r> I just wish MPE forth's optimizer was bette.r
15:45:05 <alexand3r> ( 0000:9D4C 97FFFFEB ...k )  bl # $9BB0      @+
15:45:15 <alexand3r> ...
15:45:17 <alexand3r> ( 0000:9BB0 04809AE2 ...b )  add .s r8, r10, # $04
15:45:17 <alexand3r> ( 0000:9BB4 00A09AE5 . .e )  ldr r10, [ r10, # $00 ]
15:45:17 <alexand3r> ( 0000:9BB8 04802CE5 ..,e )  str r8, [ r12, # $-04 ] !
15:45:19 <alexand3r> ( 0000:9BBC 0EF0A0E1 .p a )  mov pc, r14
15:45:22 <alexand3r> why does that need to be a bl
15:45:53 <Guthur> hehe now that is a pretty bad
15:49:40 <alexand3r> and of course, if I tell the optimizer to always inline @+, my code doesn't work.
15:49:43 <alexand3r> sigh.
15:53:57 <Guthur> I'm not sure what optimization is available to me
15:54:13 <Guthur> Just tested the interactiveness of this.
15:54:23 <Guthur> It works, I'm well pleasd
15:54:30 <Guthur> pleased*
15:54:46 <alexand3r> congrats.
15:55:00 <Guthur> Interactive embedded programming, awesome
15:55:05 <alexand3r> yah
15:55:06 <alexand3r> it's so great.
15:55:12 <Guthur> This kernel has multi tasking as well
15:55:18 <alexand3r> cool
15:55:33 <alexand3r> BTW, check out MPE's cross compiler
15:55:37 <alexand3r> their stamp version is cheap.
15:55:52 <Guthur> I'll have a look, cheers
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17:06:41 <azathoth99> can I ask a few question without being booted?
17:12:56 <Guthur> Always worth a go
17:29:31 <azathoth99> using forth on linux...
17:29:46 <azathoth99> do the ANSI words allow one to manipulate files?
17:29:55 <azathoth99> and are there words for in memory arrays?
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17:51:51 <tathi> Hi all
17:52:42 <tathi> azathoth99: depends on what you mean by "manipulate"
17:53:21 <tathi> And...code for arrays is usually simple enough that it's application-specific.
17:55:16 <tathi> Though I could probably point you to example code...
17:57:30 <azathoth99> I am looking at gforth manual.
18:00:37 <tathi> ANS has words to open/close/read/write files, also delete and rename.  The standard doesn't deal with directories at all, but gforth does have words for that.
18:03:45 <azathoth99> cool
18:04:01 <azathoth99> do a majority of forth apps avoid a lot of file activity?
18:05:48 <tathi> I don't know.  Personally I use files whenever I think they make sense.
18:27:28 <segher> i usually only use my make-file and map-file words
18:28:11 <segher> which create a file from a memory range, resp. read a whole file into a memory range
18:29:50 <segher> hopefully portable definitions: http://pastie.org/private/bk4gkidtjmsggzfeiakitq
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