00:00:00 --- log: started forth/10.07.19 00:42:12 --- join: qFox (~C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 00:48:35 --- join: qFxo (~C00K13S@5356B263.cable.casema.nl) joined #forth 01:20:22 ASau: gforth is free software. 01:20:57 ams: gforth isn't free software. 01:20:58 ASau: one release in five years isn't bad, if you think it is to slow, a helping hand wouldn;t hurt 01:21:05 ASau``: uhm, yeah it is. 01:21:09 no, it isn't. 01:21:18 lets seee... 01:21:22 www.gnu.org/s/gforth 01:21:31 yup, free software 01:21:38 No, it isn't free. 01:21:51 yes it is, the gpl is a free software license 01:21:58 GPL isn't free software licence. 01:22:09 sighs, sure is 01:22:23 In addition, it is GNU, that is "give your code to us" policy. 01:22:33 no, it isn't 01:22:33 Sure it isn't. 01:22:45 Have you talked to GNU officials? 01:22:50 yes, i'm one of them 01:23:19 i've been a gnu maintainer for the last 10+ years, and i've been working on the GNU project for more than that 01:23:23 Yeah, and you don't request those paper with "give us your code"? 01:23:38 no, i don't, nor does anyone else 01:23:47 Ertl did. 01:23:51 you are clearly immensly misinformed as to who it works 01:23:55 Hence you lie. 01:24:22 we request that you sign a copyright assignment, you still have exclusive rights to the code. 01:24:38 maybe you might want to stop calling people names, and get informed, i have yet to insult you 01:24:42 This copyright assignment is basically "give us your code." 01:24:57 ASau``: nope, it isn't 01:25:13 ASau``: maybe you should read the assignment first 01:25:20 I have read it. 01:25:43 read it again, then you know that you're not giving anyone anything 01:26:06 You call giving up copyright "not giving anyone anything"? 01:26:12 you're quite free to not contribute something, but if you contribute to one of our projects, then we need a paper trail to be able to enforce copyright 01:26:30 You don't need paper trail to enforce copyright. 01:26:33 ASau``: again, you're not giving up anything, you get a license back to do what the heck you want 01:26:36 See Berne convention. 01:26:40 ASau``: yeah you do. 01:26:43 ASau``: see sco 01:26:58 Sorry? 01:27:04 Did it overturn Berne convention? 01:27:16 ASau``: for one, the berne convention has nothing to do with this 01:27:32 ASau``: you still need to prove that you had a license, or permission to use the code in question, berne withstanding 01:27:42 So, you claim that your fascist country doesn't follow the convention it joined? 01:27:46 ASau``: look, i've been doing things for a decade, i know how it works 01:27:52 ASau``: my facsit country? 01:28:00 ASau``: how old are you? 01:28:22 How old are you first? 01:28:29 ASau``: 29 01:28:45 Same here. 01:28:49 So? 01:28:52 ASau``: and i've never been to the US, which hasn't signed the berne convention. 01:29:00 ASau``: so? what is up with the petty name calling? 01:29:36 can't have a logical, sensible debate? 01:29:37 If U.S.A. joined Berne convention, it should follow it. 01:30:07 ASau``: yes well, if, putting all your eggs in a single basket is good... 01:30:15 ASau``: but that is not how it works in the US, or in the EU 01:30:24 ASau``: or anywhere lse 01:30:28 If it violates it, then the license is void. 01:30:33 ASau``: hence, why we need copyright assignments 01:30:40 ASau``: prove that you have permission to use the code first 01:30:49 ASau``: in our case, we can do that easily 01:30:49 In free software we don't need it. 01:30:56 ASau``: with copyright you do 01:31:03 Since when? 01:31:09 Look at free software and you'll see it. 01:31:14 ASau``: and disclaiming something into the public domain is immensly hard, and often impossible. 01:31:25 ASau``: i've been working with free software since i was 6. 01:31:54 In free software we don't put it in the public domain, 01:31:54 still we don't assign copyright to any foundation. 01:32:05 We are not required to. 01:32:07 ASau``: and you don't need to, that isn't what free software is 01:32:13 Sure. 01:32:19 ASau``: yes, and we don't requre you to do anything like that. 01:32:20 That's why FSF isn't about free software. 01:32:24 yeah it is 01:32:30 No, it isn't. 01:32:42 we've been fighting for freedom for computer users long before you where born 01:32:48 sighs 01:32:55 When have you been born? 01:33:07 we as in the fsf. 01:33:14 When have FSF been born? 01:33:23 www.fsf.org 01:33:30 i don't have time to feed a troll. 01:33:35 So, you don't know when it was. 01:34:01 if you say so, you've already called me a liar, a facist, so i'm quite ok with you calling me other names. 01:34:03 What makes you claim that it was "long before" I was born? 01:34:09 Sure, you're liar. 01:34:20 Anyone who claims that FSF is about free software is a liar. 01:34:35 --- quit: foxes (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 01:34:50 You also claim that FSF was born before me. 01:35:03 Without presenting any fact. 01:35:11 Go consult calendar. 01:35:49 seeing that youa re incapable of proper polite discourse, one can only assume that you are 2 years of age. 01:36:01 hence why it was "born" (which i nver claimed) before you. 01:36:06 as for facts, go look at the website. 01:36:10 10:35 /ignore ASau`` 01:36:15 I don't care for looking at the website. 01:36:19 kids these days. 01:36:26 It's your problem if you can't argue. 01:36:49 "Kids." 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